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    • Stock 2012 F13 BMW M6 versus stock 2012 Nissan GT-R from a roll - M6 puts bus-lengths on the GTR? BS result?

      This video makes one scratch their head a bit and is causing some rage on the GT-R forums. Not because the idea of the M6 winning a roll on sprint versus the 2012 GTR is not possible but in the way it happens in this video. The M6 literally just runs away from the GT-R from a 2nd gear roll. Now, the M6 does put down more power than the GT-R stock for stock, roughly 70 more wheel horsepower. It is heavier however with a curb weight of 4088 pounds versus the GTR's 3859 pound curb weight.


      Car and Driver tested the 2012 GTR and got an 11.2@126 out of it in the 1/4 mile. No F13 M6 has come remotely close to this trap speed. However, the all wheel drive launch of the GTR helps big time in a 1/4 mile sprint. Also, MotorTrend's numbers for the 2012 GTR differed considerably with an 11.2@122.7 which seems more much inline with the 2012 GTR's dyno numbers. Was the Car and driver car a ringer? Nissan has supplied ringers before and the 122 trap sure seems much more realistic. Owners have hit 124 mile per hour trap speeds themselves with stock 2012's so the truth is likely somewhere in the middle:


      The convertible F12 M6 has been tested in the 1/4 mile by Insideline and they hit a 118 mile per hour trap speed in the much heavier cab which weighs in at 4,398 pounds. So is the coupe which weighs roughly 300 pounds less capable of 122-123 mile per hour trap speeds? Yes, certainly with proper rubber.

      Check out Insideline's 2012 GTR dyno numbers:


      Now take a look at the F13 M6 dyno numbers:


      Based on power on paper a top end roll should favor the M6. The weight disparity between the two cars is not all that large and all wheel drive does offer greater drive train losses so a roll on will favor the rear wheel drive setup. Both cars have dual clutch transmissions. Gearing on the top end seems to favor the M6 as well.

      Can an F13 M6 beat a 2012 GTR from a roll? It's feasible, but it certainly would be close with a longer race necessary to favor the M6. It would not be the epic beatdown we see in the video below. The GTR owner states there was more than one run yet they were not put up. That leads BimmerBoost to believe the other runs certainly do not look like this one.

      This certainly is controversial and BimmerBoost's money is on a "real" race between the two cars in stock form actually being close assuming no driver error which is likely what happened to the GTR here. Either the wrong gear or wrong mode but either way this is a misleading result based on the available data for both cars:


      This article was originally published in forum thread: F13 M6 versus 2012 Nissan GT-R R35 started by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks View original post
      Comments 115 Comments
      1. whoosh's Avatar
        whoosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by oldgixxer Click here to enlarge
        Lol BMW for the fail. I drive a GT-R, i have nothing to prove. If anyone with a M5 or M6 (old or new) wants me to tax that ass, please email me at:

        imola1518@gmail.com


        My email is listed above, so no need to waste your time registering on here. PS. Dont forget your bluetooth and sunglasses.
        http://www.gtrlife.com/forums/topic/...-when-u-drive/
      1. oldgixxer's Avatar
        oldgixxer -
        Lol,Rimola(who posted that) is a friend of mine Click here to enlarge
      1. AWD75's Avatar
        AWD75 -
        WOW! M6 moves out for sure, but I believe its too good to be true. Maybe GTR started in wrong gear?
      1. whoosh's Avatar
        whoosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by oldgixxer Click here to enlarge
        Lol,Rimola(who posted that) is a friend of mine Click here to enlarge
        Click here to enlarge I don't think he posted in the thread about sunglasses, but I thought it was funny that he pulled out the old Bluetooth and sunglasses stereotype on the BMW guys when their board has their own thread about it.

        I want to see a vid of you taking his GT-R down with your 'busa when it's done. Click here to enlarge
      1. oldgixxer's Avatar
        oldgixxer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
        Click here to enlarge I don't think he posted in the thread about sunglasses, but I thought it was funny that he pulled out the old Bluetooth and sunglasses stereotype on the BMW guys when their board has their own thread about it.

        I want to see a vid of you taking his GT-R down with your 'busa when it's done. Click here to enlarge
        Not in the ghey sunglasses thread but he posted his email to run any M6's lol.
        We wont be running against eachother,I have showed him my timeslips so he knows what I run. It would be a one-sided race...until he finishes his built motor,big-turbo build that is Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        This video makes one scratch their head a bit and is causing some rage on the GT-R forums. Not because the idea of the M6 winning a roll on sprint versus the 2012 GTR is not possible but in the way it happens in this video. The M6 literally just runs away from the GT-R from a 2nd gear roll. Now, the M6 does put down more power than the GT-R stock for stock, roughly 70 more wheel horsepower. It is heavier however with a curb weight of 4088 pounds versus the GTR's 3859 pound curb weight.

        Click here to enlarge

        Car and Driver tested the 2012 GTR and got an 11.2@126 out of it in the 1/4 mile. No F13 M6 has come remotely close to this trap speed. However, the all wheel drive launch of the GTR helps big time in a 1/4 mile sprint. Also, MotorTrend's numbers for the 2012 GTR differed considerably with an 11.2@122.7 which seems more much inline with the 2012 GTR's dyno numbers. Was the Car and driver car a ringer? Nissan has supplied ringers before and the 122 trap sure seems much more realistic. Owners have hit 124 mile per hour trap speeds themselves with stock 2012's so the truth is likely somewhere in the middle:

        Click here to enlarge

        The convertible F12 M6 has been tested in the 1/4 mile by Insideline and they hit a 118 mile per hour trap speed in the much heavier cab which weighs in at 4,398 pounds. So is the coupe which weighs roughly 300 pounds less capable of 122-123 mile per hour trap speeds? Yes, certainly with proper rubber.

        Check out Insideline's 2012 GTR dyno numbers:

        Click here to enlarge

        Now take a look at the F13 M6 dyno numbers:

        Click here to enlarge

        Based on power on paper a top end roll should favor the M6. The weight disparity between the two cars is not all that large and all wheel drive does offer greater drive train losses so a roll on will favor the rear wheel drive setup. Both cars have dual clutch transmissions. Gearing on the top end seems to favor the M6 as well.

        Can an F13 M6 beat a 2012 GTR from a roll? It's feasible, but it certainly would be close with a longer race necessary to favor the M6. It would not be the epic beatdown we see in the video below. The GTR owner states there was more than one run yet they were not put up. That leads BimmerBoost to believe the other runs certainly do not look like this one.

        This certainly is controversial and BimmerBoost's money is on a "real" race between the two cars in stock form actually being close assuming no driver error which is likely what happened to the GTR here. Either the wrong gear or wrong mode but either way this is a misleading result based on the available data for both cars:

      1. fast4door's Avatar
        fast4door -
        why are people comparing 1/4 times a trap speeds when this race was from a roll?..if both cars are stock, I wouldnt be surpirsed if an M6 takes a GTR from a roll..now, not by as much in this video but it certainly can happen, and the M6 does make more torque at lower rpm than the GTR
      1. fast4door's Avatar
        fast4door -
        I think people are making out the GTR to be more than it is..for sure its a fast car, but stock, its not unbeatable..now once you start modding those monsters, its a whole other ball game..
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        @fast4door usually a car that traps higher will walk away on a roll, esp a normal roll race like this.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        the gtr can trap as much as 8mph more than the m6, NO SHOT this is real! a car cant be out trapped by 5-8mph then pull bus lenths from such a slow roll.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5soko Click here to enlarge
        EXACTLY! not only does it trap lower, it put bus lengths on it lol...
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by trufus Click here to enlarge
        There is no possible way that undisclosed modifications, driver mods, or intentional dishonesty have anything to do with the absurd number of car lengths (sorry, bus lengths) that the M6 put on a newer GTR.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
        http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-GT-R...lip-22547.html

        11.0@124 bone stock .... DA of 1117.... they gotta dyno more than 430....

        the m6 is a 119-120 car , given disparitys between cars it could be a 1-3 car difference either way but nothing like that...
        The GTR was NOT using Launch Control, which are the performance figures you're all using as supporting information. I'm sure if the GTR & M6 both used LC, the GTR would've pulled away because we all know the GTR's DCT can bang out Veyron-like acceleration numbers.
      1. fast4door's Avatar
        fast4door -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5soko Click here to enlarge
        @fast4door usually a car that traps higher will walk away on a roll, esp a normal roll race like this.
        not if the car that traps higher is AWD..if you have two cars with same hp, tq, and weight..but one is AWD and the other is not..the AWD will have a better 1/4 time and trap speed..example, 335xi vs 335i..the xi typically traps higher and has a better 1/4 time stock, but from a roll, the xi isnt always the winner..

        now in the case of this video..the M6 makes more torque at lower rpm and has a little more hp than the GTR..when you take away the advantage of AWD in a roll race, it really isnt that hard to believe the M6 can win. Yes, the M6 is a heavy car..but the GTR isnt exactly light either, and once the cars are moving..weight doesnt matter as much..
      1. fast4door's Avatar
        fast4door -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        The GTR was NOT using Launch Control, which are the performance figures you're all using as supporting information. I'm sure if the GTR & M6 both used LC, the GTR would've pulled away because we all know the GTR's DCT can bang out Veyron-like acceleration numbers.
        what does LC have to do with a roll race..?
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fast4door Click here to enlarge
        what does LC have to do with a roll race..?
        Nothing, and that's my point because everyone keeps citing trap speeds and how it's impossible for the F12 M6 to be faster. The GTR's trap speeds, 1/4 mile times, 0-60s were achieved with the LC
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        This is entirely possible but w/e Click here to enlarge

        On a side note, AMS has a couple days ago taken IND's M5 and digitized the entire engine bay getting every dimension to the last millimeter and installed sensors in all "relevant" places to gather data for upgrades including air/water coolers, downpipes, turbos, etc. What do you think happens next? Click here to enlarge

        BMW 4.4L TT V8 S63 is about to start kicking some major a**...i'd love to source an N63 somewhere and drop it in a 1M
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fast4door Click here to enlarge
        why are people comparing 1/4 times a trap speeds when this race was from a roll?
        You should probably think about this statement.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fast4door Click here to enlarge
        not if the car that traps higher is AWD..if you have two cars with same hp, tq, and weight..but one is AWD and the other is not..the AWD will have a better 1/4 time and trap speed.
        ET more than trap. Trap is an indicator of horsepower and very important in determining roll on performance. Far more than ET, actually, ET is basically useless in a roll on race
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Nothing, and that's my point because everyone keeps citing trap speeds and how it's impossible for the F12 M6 to be faster. The GTR's trap speeds, 1/4 mile times, 0-60s were achieved with the LC
        It isn't impossible it should just be a close race.
      1. fast4door's Avatar
        fast4door -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You should probably think about this statement.
        maybe im missing something but an AWD car is going to have a better 1/4 time and trap speed than a similar car with similar hp that is RWD..not sure why this is so hard to understand...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fast4door Click here to enlarge
        maybe im missing something but an AWD car is going to have a better 1/4 time and trap speed than a similar car with similar hp that is RWD..not sure why this is so hard to understand...
        Because only one part of the statement is correct.
      1. fast4door's Avatar
        fast4door -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It isn't impossible it should just be a close race.
        I agree, but the way some people are talking its like the M6 has no chance at all against a GTR from a roll..that I dont agree with..