• Stock 2012 F13 BMW M6 versus stock 2012 Nissan GT-R from a roll - M6 puts bus-lengths on the GTR? BS result?

      This video makes one scratch their head a bit and is causing some rage on the GT-R forums. Not because the idea of the M6 winning a roll on sprint versus the 2012 GTR is not possible but in the way it happens in this video. The M6 literally just runs away from the GT-R from a 2nd gear roll. Now, the M6 does put down more power than the GT-R stock for stock, roughly 70 more wheel horsepower. It is heavier however with a curb weight of 4088 pounds versus the GTR's 3859 pound curb weight.


      Car and Driver tested the 2012 GTR and got an 11.2@126 out of it in the 1/4 mile. No F13 M6 has come remotely close to this trap speed. However, the all wheel drive launch of the GTR helps big time in a 1/4 mile sprint. Also, MotorTrend's numbers for the 2012 GTR differed considerably with an 11.2@122.7 which seems more much inline with the 2012 GTR's dyno numbers. Was the Car and driver car a ringer? Nissan has supplied ringers before and the 122 trap sure seems much more realistic. Owners have hit 124 mile per hour trap speeds themselves with stock 2012's so the truth is likely somewhere in the middle:


      The convertible F12 M6 has been tested in the 1/4 mile by Insideline and they hit a 118 mile per hour trap speed in the much heavier cab which weighs in at 4,398 pounds. So is the coupe which weighs roughly 300 pounds less capable of 122-123 mile per hour trap speeds? Yes, certainly with proper rubber.

      Check out Insideline's 2012 GTR dyno numbers:


      Now take a look at the F13 M6 dyno numbers:


      Based on power on paper a top end roll should favor the M6. The weight disparity between the two cars is not all that large and all wheel drive does offer greater drive train losses so a roll on will favor the rear wheel drive setup. Both cars have dual clutch transmissions. Gearing on the top end seems to favor the M6 as well.

      Can an F13 M6 beat a 2012 GTR from a roll? It's feasible, but it certainly would be close with a longer race necessary to favor the M6. It would not be the epic beatdown we see in the video below. The GTR owner states there was more than one run yet they were not put up. That leads BimmerBoost to believe the other runs certainly do not look like this one.

      This certainly is controversial and BimmerBoost's money is on a "real" race between the two cars in stock form actually being close assuming no driver error which is likely what happened to the GTR here. Either the wrong gear or wrong mode but either way this is a misleading result based on the available data for both cars:

      This article was originally published in forum thread: F13 M6 versus 2012 Nissan GT-R R35 started by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks View original post
      Comments 115 Comments
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        a GTR is a sleeping giant until it has the Cobb AP pro tune; then it's lights out, you can do whatever you wish to the m6 at that point...
      1. Nguyener's Avatar
        Nguyener -
        Ib4 the debate on how it's not adding up when u compare the trap speed's
      1. oldgixxer's Avatar
        oldgixxer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nguyener Click here to enlarge
        Ib4 the debate on how it's not adding up when u compare the trap speed's
        GT-R guys aint lin that vid lol!

        http://www.gtrlife.com/forums/topic/81437-m6-vs-gt-r/
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        Yea this video is nonsense.. Doesn't add up unless the GTR is broken or starting in 4th gear.
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        Why is it hard to believe if they're both bone stock on pump gas, OEM tuning?
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Because the M6 runs the 1/4 a second slower and with lower trap speed. The awd wouldn't make up that difference. Imo would have been more believable if the m6 would have pulled alittle ahead but to gap the gtr by multiple car lengths says to me probably a mistake by the gtr.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nguyener Click here to enlarge
        Ib4 the debate on how it's not adding up when u compare the trap speed's
        thats only if the gtr had an ess blower on it Click here to enlarge
      1. StinkyM's Avatar
        StinkyM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
        Why is it hard to believe if they're both bone stock on pump gas, OEM tuning?
        This is the problem with youtube videos. Apparantly this video is misinforming. The GTR owner posted in the comments about 2 other videos that weren't posted as well as the M6 having filters and something else done. Do I think that they are both fast. Yes. However, at the same time this video is to be taken with a grain of salt like with the F10 M5 videos M5board.com was posting.
      1. warpeacelove's Avatar
        warpeacelove -
        Because Godzilla is a Legend, and no way a M6 pulls on a GT-R like it did.
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        I am gonna call BS on this one as well... Nothing adds up. Especially considering the M6 runs away low end where the GTR gearing should be handing its ass a new one.
      1. StinkyM's Avatar
        StinkyM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        I am gonna call BS on this one as well... Nothing adds up. Especially considering the M6 runs away low end where the GTR gearing should be handing its ass a new one.
        Not necessarily. The 4.4 makes more torque at a much lower rpm.
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        More power more torque across the entire RPM range on the M6. Why would the GTR "need" to win or not lose in a roll on to the new M6?

        M6 is 200kg heavier (450lbs) so add roughly about 40hp differential to the GT-R.

        Its well known fact how underrated the 4.4L V8 TT in the M5/M6 is putting down 500whp on a dynojet

        M6 puts down 500lb-ft of torque from 1500-6500rpm (underrated).
        GTR puts down 463lb-ft of torque from 3500-6000rpm.

        I think this is quite possible..
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        2012 GT-R DYNO (Dynojet), bone stock:

        Click here to enlarge

        F13 M6 DYNO (Dynojet), bone stock:
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      1. Linracing's Avatar
        Linracing -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
        2012 GT-R DYNO (Dynojet), bone stock:

        http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/im...7123_600-1.jpg

        F13 M6 DYNO (Dynojet), bone stock:
        http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/im...928710_o-1.jpg
        exactly!!!
      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE -
        the gtr can trap as much as 8mph more than the m6, NO SHOT this is real! a car cant be out trapped by 5-8mph then pull bus lenths from such a slow roll. its not like they went to 180mph
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        the gtr can trap as much as 8mph more than the m6, NO SHOT this is real! a car cant be out trapped by 5-8mph then pull bus lenths from such a slow roll. its not like the went to 180mph
        EXACTLY! not only does it trap lower, it put bus lengths on it lol...
      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE -
        i get so angry when these you tube vids show things that just cant happen, i mean if this was a case where someone gets a hit, or someone spins bad, or someone gets caught sleeping at the light we all know a slower car can win, but this is not the case here, it looks like the m6 is the faster trapping car by 10mph!! oh and its not like you can out shift the gtr. IT MUST BE FAKE OR DRIVER ERROR. OR modded/damaged car
      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE -
        he posted a vid beating another one, and this time from a dig!!
        youtube.com/watch?v=7OOw-kRLbi*Y
      1. trufus's Avatar
        trufus -
        Guys. Chill. I got this figured out.

        The obvious answer is that the BMW covert marketing division has put out the first of several videos showing the new M cars' sweet street performance. As we all know well, the M5 and M6's target demographics are the "highway pull" and "dig from a stoplight" crowd that regularly sweeps youtube for the latest and greatest in underground racing videos. The only way that BMW will turn a profit on these new M-cars is to win this market from the get go. If even one video shows an S63 car losing, their sales will be a bust and BMW will be forced to discontinue all cars except the base model 3 series. In summary, BMW is going to blanket youtube with videos of high performance cars losing to F1x M series cars to boost sales.

        There is no possible way that undisclosed modifications, driver mods, or intentional dishonesty have anything to do with the absurd number of car lengths (sorry, bus lengths) that the M6 put on a newer GTR.
      1. ChuckD05's Avatar
        ChuckD05 -
        http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-GT-R...lip-22547.html

        11.0@124 bone stock .... DA of 1117.... they gotta dyno more than 430....

        the m6 is a 119-120 car , given disparitys between cars it could be a 1-3 car difference either way but nothing like that...