• How much faster is a supercharged E92 M3 versus a stock E92 M3? This much.

      Here is a video that will do a better job explaining the difference between a supercharged and standard M3 than any dyno numbers ever will. The camera car is a 6-speed manual E92 M3 with a supercharged S65 V8 courtesy of an ESS VT2-625 kit. The other M3 is also a 6-speed manual but not supercharged and seemingly in a stock configuration. The difference is illustrated quite well with the distance between the two measured in miles rather than car lengths.


      Thank you BimmerBoost member @Pea for the video.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: How much faster is a supercharged E92 M3 versus a stock E92 M3? This much. started by Sticky View original post
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      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        That is a pretty large list.. Add our lvl 3 to it and lets hear your opinion .
        Working on that Click here to enlarge

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by NikB316 Click here to enlarge
        Sounds good! I'll keep you posted on my plans but I'm hoping to drop the car off to Rick tomorrow evening and pick it up Wednesday evening. I'll give you a shout when I have something more concrete.

        Thats one hell of an M3 list!
        I like to have experience behind my statements, not blind brand loyalty Click here to enlarge
        I just happened to go with the cheapest option available at the time...eh, you get what you pay for..
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        The m is a different car, that's why my 335 is back to stock and I'll be picking one up soon. You can make any car fast but the balance, looks, high redline, and overall handling of the m are hard to match. I could have bought a supercharger and slapped it on the m then called it a day with all the money I was dumping into my 335....wish I bought the m from the beginning.

        I refuse to drive a supercharged m right now, I want to enjoy mine NA and don't need that temptation!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by NatAsp-M3 Click here to enlarge
        I meant my comment in regards to negative reps. Regarding majority positive reps, I would think that would be because the content and quality of members here, regardless of the rating system, is very good. I also wouldn't ignore that there are benefits to having positive reps, right?
        Yes and also keep in mind neg rep power is half of positive rep power. It's all slanted toward positive.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by longboarder Click here to enlarge
        The M3 does feel underwhelming stock however it is very deceiving. Like you, I came from a 335 (stock turbo 19psi, meth, LSD, coils) which made 413/446 RWHP/TQ. My M3 wasn't stock for long, but did make 365 RWHP so not that far off, although felt so much slower because it was down 200+ RWTQ. However when driven to it's limit it was not that much slower than the 335 in a straight line based on some VBox pulls on the same hot day and certainly faster on a track.

        I would recommend NOT going with an entry level non-intercooled S/C's as the two that I ran against weren't any faster than my 335. (one DCT and one 6MT ESS 535 M3's). By comparison, I ran an ESS 625 M3 the same day as I ran Roman's ESS 535 6MT M3 and the difference was HUGE.
        The M3 isn't slower it just feel slower due to the power delivery. It's smooth and has no turbo kick or lag.
      1. bigup's Avatar
        bigup -
        I'm looking at either the Evolve kit or the AA kit.

        It's down to funds at the end of the day; I might only manage exhaust/tune this year.

        Problem with N/A here in Calgary, is that we lose about 10-12% due to altitude; and going from a meth'd 335i to stock M3 is a big difference in straight line power. I knew this of course; I've had my share of run-ins with stock M3s before, and they never fared very well against my old car.

        I am starting to appreciate the car in most other areas though; although kinda regret DCT; I miss clutch control. Hope to change my mind with more driving.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        I only have experience with 2 tune only M3's, well, stock tuning, powerchip (if you call it a tune) and Evolve. Evolve tuned is what the car should feel like from the factory. I can promise you that you will love it. And should you choose evolve over AA s/c, A VERY hard choice BTW, you would already have tuning capability, well, i guess that's true if you went with either tune and followed suit to s/c.. For current situation, not much is known about the evolve kit, except it looks stunning, and thousands of hours of R&D are going into it, and the past experiences with their dedication and results over multiple platforms. Im willing to bet the Evolve S/C hits the US market in about 2 months from their updates, and its coming out swinging. The we can get a better grasp by the time your ready to purchase

        AA has a great rep as well over multiple platforms, as well, and I know from first hand experience, AA's s/c daily driving characteristics were #1.

        You cant go wrong with either as they are extremely similar, both A2A, both rotrex, and both very truthful in their representation.

        Do you have an exhaust yet? do you drive in M mode/S6/MDM? I think if you did those, and never used automatic mode, you will love the car that much more..
      1. NikB316's Avatar
        NikB316 -
        Oh wow I haven't looked into the Evolve s/c kit much. For some reason I thought it was Vortech blower but I'm probably mixing them up with VF. Very cool if its another Rotrex kit! Makes me feel like there's something particularly good about this blower...
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by NikB316 Click here to enlarge
        Oh wow I haven't looked into the Evolve s/c kit much. For some reason I thought it was Vortech blower but I'm probably mixing them up with VF. Very cool if its another Rotrex kit! Makes me feel like there's something particularly good about this blower...
        Evolve started with the rotrex from initial concept. AA liked what they saw and provided it for the next stage as it provides better midrange (similar to the hks) and equal topend to the vortech. basically the best of both worlds, which is why i say they are very very similar. I know id have a hard time deciding between the 2 kits
      1. bigup's Avatar
        bigup -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Do you have an exhaust yet? do you drive in M mode/S6/MDM? I think if you did those, and never used automatic mode, you will love the car that much more..
        No exhaust yet; not sure where to begin, I want something 'exotic' sounding but not crazy expensive; been reading a bit on the Gintani Race and seems like it could be a fit. We're having a local M meet in March, so I'll get a real-life listen to a few options.

        I always drive M/S5/MDM (found the button and settings within about 2 minutes of driving the first time!).

        Would a tune fix the throttle feel from a stop? I find I have to push a bit further down on the peddle than normal to get the car moving. M-mode improves, but it's not perfect.
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigup Click here to enlarge
        No exhaust yet; not sure where to begin, I want something 'exotic' sounding but not crazy expensive; been reading a bit on the Gintani Race and seems like it could be a fit. We're having a local M meet in March, so I'll get a real-life listen to a few options.

        I always drive M/S5/MDM (found the button and settings within about 2 minutes of driving the first time!).

        Would a tune fix the throttle feel from a stop? I find I have to push a bit further down on the peddle than normal to get the car moving. M-mode improves, but it's not perfect.
        I would like to have an answer to this question too. I HATE ... REPEAT... HATE the fact that they put start-stop assist on this car. This is what you are feeling. I badly wish that this can be turned off, and hope to God someone has figured this out. I don't need a car to help me start, I can manage all myself. It makes the engine feel much less responsive than it really is IMO. I came from an e46 M3, and the SMG logic handled this scenario (again, IMO) better. I was able to feather the throttle for the start I wanted - with no interference from the ECU. Other than this, it's an awesome transmission.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigup Click here to enlarge
        No exhaust yet; not sure where to begin, I want something 'exotic' sounding but not crazy expensive; been reading a bit on the Gintani Race and seems like it could be a fit. We're having a local M meet in March, so I'll get a real-life listen to a few options.

        I always drive M/S5/MDM (found the button and settings within about 2 minutes of driving the first time!).

        Would a tune fix the throttle feel from a stop? I find I have to push a bit further down on the peddle than normal to get the car moving. M-mode improves, but it's not perfect.
        with no exhaust your missing out of a HUGE part of the driving experience. The rev-matched blips and exotic note are what really make me love driving this car. personally, im a bargain guy. so for about 1500-2k you can be badass.. as opposed to $5k for everything.
        Evolve tune, Ebay catless x-pipe, and custom exhaust cut-outs. (my setup) The sounds and HP will be awesome! the valves when catless and closed sound like it should be factory, open those suckers up and its everything you will want. go watch some videos of mine.

        As for the tune, YES. I can only say personally about Evolve, but yes. thats part of the equation i was referencing about how it should have came from BMW. Its night and day difference. for drive-ability alone the evolve tune is worth it. all the extra's are icing on the cake.
      1. bigup's Avatar
        bigup -
        The Evolve tune looks great; might have to do that first. An exhaust or exhaust mods will be following close behind. I'd throw on some test pipes but don't really want to cut up my stock exhaust at this point.

        I'm trying to stay on the bargain side too; far too many other things to pay for this year (as always!).
      1. NikB316's Avatar
        NikB316 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Evolve started with the rotrex from initial concept. AA liked what they saw and provided it for the next stage as it provides better midrange (similar to the hks) and equal topend to the vortech. basically the best of both worlds, which is why i say they are very very similar. I know id have a hard time deciding between the 2 kits

        Ah nice thanks for the info. I am really looking forward to see what differences there will be between the two Rotrex powered kits. I know the Vortech is mostly top end and the HKS has a better mid range. With that being said, the Rotrex blows away the HKS throughout IMO. Nice move on AA's part as they would have been in trouble if they didn't switch over. Even better move on Evolve's part for using the Rotrex to begin with. I guess I owe Evolve a little bit for making my car the way it is today Click here to enlarge.

        Really looking forward to your impressions. (Hopefully this week).

        BigUp,
        I currently have a Dinan mid (4 resonators no cats) and AA rear exhaust. I love the way it sounds and compared to some of my friends setups it is on the quieter side. Still, I am going to most likely be going for an Evolve valved exhaust. Just waiting for it to get on a local car so I can hear it. Been doing some reading and it appears to be one of the better valved setups. I'll let you know my impressions. If you want the best bang for your buck I'd listen to LM though
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigup Click here to enlarge
        The Evolve tune looks great; might have to do that first. An exhaust or exhaust mods will be following close behind. I'd throw on some test pipes but don't really want to cut up my stock exhaust at this point.

        I'm trying to stay on the bargain side too; far too many other things to pay for this year (as always!).
        I paid $450 for my resonated catless x pipe btw, and 500 for the valves installed.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by NikB316 Click here to enlarge
        Ah nice thanks for the info. I am really looking forward to see what differences there will be between the two Rotrex powered kits. I know the Vortech is mostly top end and the HKS has a better mid range. With that being said, the Rotrex blows away the HKS throughout IMO. Nice move on AA's part as they would have been in trouble if they didn't switch over. Even better move on Evolve's part for using the Rotrex to begin with. I guess I owe Evolve a little bit for making my car the way it is today Click here to enlarge.

        Really looking forward to your impressions. (Hopefully this week).

        BigUp,
        I currently have a Dinan mid (4 resonators no cats) and AA rear exhaust. I love the way it sounds and compared to some of my friends setups it is on the quieter side. Still, I am going to most likely be going for an Evolve valved exhaust. Just waiting for it to get on a local car so I can hear it. Been doing some reading and it appears to be one of the better valved setups. I'll let you know my impressions. If you want the best bang for your buck I'd listen to LM though
        That's suprising! I've loved AKs his car for low and midrange power, and whenever we'd run, he would pull away way to easy way too soon, so if your telling me the rotrex is better, with more topend, that's a killer deal.
        I dont think evolve deserves all the credit as i think AA uses hks on other kits, but maybe they weren't tracking the c38-91/92 that came out, I believe after the AA kit was already released. But again, having experience with vortech and hks, and you having experience with hks and rotrex, Im XCITED to see what both kits can do.... and making me reevaluate my trading in and starting over...
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        That's suprising! I've loved AKs his car for low and midrange power, and whenever we'd run, he would pull away way to easy way too soon, so if your telling me the rotrex is better, with more topend, that's a killer deal.
        I dont think evolve deserves all the credit as i think AA uses hks on other kits, but maybe they weren't tracking the c38-91/92 that came out, I believe after the AA kit was already released. But again, having experience with vortech and hks, and you having experience with hks and rotrex, Im XCITED to see what both kits can do.... and making me reevaluate my trading in and starting over...

        Story time...

        We originally went to Rotrex with our project and asked for a larger blower and unfortunately they were changing management and were unable to do such a project at the time. We spoke to hks and they agreed to make us a custom blower biggest at the time (hks 8550). Year and a half ago we received some 91 trim test units from rotrex that we tried on a few level 2 e46 m3's and saw great potential and big numbers. At the time of the s65 kit release the hks 8550 was the best then the 8555 soon followed which is what Akash was running on his car. For 2013 the rotrex 92 trim is the big boy on the block.

        Bottom line is we chose the best blower available on the market at the time. As soon as something is proven to be bigger and better than what we currently use we will try it and let you know.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        correct, i made a mistake, i said "I think AA uses hks on other kits.." i meant to say rotrex
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        correct, i made a mistake, i said "I think AA uses hks on other kits.." i meant to say rotrex
        Well we do.. so you aren't totally wrong.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        Well we do.. so you aren't totally wrong.
        right, i meant that your obviously aware of the products as you use them elsewhere, didnt know much about the rest Click here to enlarge
      1. j2m's Avatar
        j2m -
        Those SC M3's are fast Click here to enlarge