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    • Watch a Dinan 4.6 liter stroker S65 V8 E92 M3 get smacked around by a cammed C5 Z06

      To get a lot more power of the E92 M3 in NA form beyond bolt ons increasing the displacement is really the way to go. An extra 600cc's is a nice chunk to pick up made possible by the relatively short stroke in stock form providing quite a bit of room to grow. However, the LS6 V8 under the hood of the C5 Z06 is sill larger at 5.7 liters. With an aggressive cam only the Z06 can put out in the 420 wheel range and with exhaust and intake 450 wheel is within reason.


      The S65 V8 at 4.6 liters is capable of 441 wheel horsepower. So, on paper, this actually makes for a fairly good race especially with a DCT M3. Yes, the C5 Z06 has a weight advantage but the M3's higher redline makes for a gearing advantage. So what is the problem? The 20 inch Hartge wheels the owner chose to put on his car which are basically boat anchors sapping power. The Hartge badge on the trunk clearly not making it up for it.

      Furthermore, the 441 wheel number for a stroker M3 came from an RDsport setup, not Dinan. Dinan uses a fairly mild tune and has yet to demonstrate as high of dyno numbers with their motor. To really take advantage of this setup the M3 owner needs to ditch the wheels, get a new tune, and also look into Schrick cams as the stroker moves the peak of the powerband to the left. Much more horsepower is there to be had by moving the torque curve to the right towards redline with a more aggressive profile similar to how this Z06 gains power with its cam setup.

      Enjoy the race, but seems silly for the M3 owner to spend all that money on the motor only to limit it in other areas.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: Dinan 4.6 Stroker M3 vs C5 Z06 started by Sledgehammer View original post
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      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by blkclk550 Click here to enlarge
        i spank M3's in my clk daily
        Perhaps E46 models
      1. TTFS's Avatar
        TTFS -
        oh okay Thank you Click here to enlarge well then I learned something
      1. Irishace's Avatar
        Irishace -
        There ya go, garbage performance from the S65. Without a blower the car is weaksauce with a huge price tag. That is fact.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Irishace Click here to enlarge
        There ya go, garbage performance from the S65. Without a blower the car is weaksauce with a huge price tag. That is fact.
        Just an ignorant post. And that's a huge price tag to you?
      1. Irishace's Avatar
        Irishace -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Just an ignorant post. And that's a huge price tag to you?
        Yes, 80k for the car new with 25k in Dinan mods is in fact a hefty price tag. The only thing ignorant is the performance of the M3. A C5 Z06 with a cam and an intake made it look silly and for a fraction of the cost. Add another 12k with a blower then maybe the M3 might compete with the C5. Pretty sad really.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Irishace Click here to enlarge
        Yes, 80k for the car new with 25k in Dinan mods is in fact a hefty price tag.
        Ok well you can buy the car for $70k and the Dinan mods are overpriced and don't ever perform as well as other aftemarket options, what's your point? Since when is Dinan the best example of BMW aftermarket performance? Dinan 335's get crushed by a little JB4, and?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Irishace Click here to enlarge
        The only thing ignorant is the performance of the M3. A C5 Z06 with a cam and an intake made it look silly and for a fraction of the cost.
        A Corvette with a GM small block V8 is a better HP per dollar platform than a BMW M3? Well, we better all rethink our lives.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Irishace Click here to enlarge
        Add another 12k with a blower then maybe the M3 might compete with the C5. Pretty sad really.
        No what's pretty sad is your understanding of cars and motors. Scratch the S65 off your list, I don't want to hear whining about how you can't afford mods. If you want to straightline race go get something else. BMW's aren't supposed to be cheap, easy, or for everyone.

        For the record, A Ferrari F430 would lose too. And no Ferrari owner gives a $#@!.
      1. blkclk550's Avatar
        blkclk550 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Perhaps E46 models
        havent lost vs E92 yet
      1. blkclk550's Avatar
        blkclk550 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Don't start with your CLK550 versus M3 nonsense again. Your track numbers don't support anything you say.
        i ran with a broken car lol
      1. Irishace's Avatar
        Irishace -
        The funny thing is you do give a $#@!, you made this front page news. Whats pretty sad is your level of butthurtedness the minute someone remotely challenges your precious S65 and does not bow down to its ever so awesomeness, the baby jesus of motors.

        Whats even more hilarious is you post straight line racing with BMWs on your forum and then you use the convenient execuse that BMW's aren't made for straight line when one looses. Adding to the hilarity is that you resort to personal attacks to people who post their opinions like its all about you and not about a car. Give your head a shake.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by blkclk550 Click here to enlarge
        havent lost vs E92 yet
        Having flashbacks to that Vette you crushed. I admit I'm skeptical, start a new thread and post vids spanking M3's.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Irishace Click here to enlarge
        The funny thing is you do give a $#@!, you made this front page news. Whats pretty sad is your level of butthurtedness the minute someone remotely challenges your precious S65 and does not bow down to its ever so awesomeness, the baby jesus of motors.

        Whats even more hilarious is you post straight line racing with BMWs on your forum and then you use the convenient execuse that BMW's aren't made for straight line when one looses. Adding to the hilarity is that you resort to personal attacks to people who post their opinions like its all about you and not about a car. Give your head a shake.
        Baby Jesus... That sir was priceless had to rep you for that one.
      1. Irishace's Avatar
        Irishace -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Baby Jesus... That sir was priceless had to rep you for that one.
        Merci, but you should rep Sticky, he puts things on a tee when it comes to the S65.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by blkclk550 Click here to enlarge
        havent lost vs E92 yet
        Ya... right. You're car is slower than a stock E92 M3. Your timeslips are like 7 MPH behind what I did with bolt on's. Seriously man, you overrate your car's performance more than anyone I have seen.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Irishace Click here to enlarge
        The funny thing is you do give a $#@!, you made this front page news. Whats pretty sad is your level of butthurtedness the minute someone remotely challenges your precious S65 and does not bow down to its ever so awesomeness, the baby jesus of motors.
        I have no problem with posting a video if a BMW loses as front page news, and?

        No what's sad is you don't understand the engine and equate cars to acceleration performance in a straight line. If that was the case every manufacturer would just make the biggest motor with the biggest turbo they could.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Irishace Click here to enlarge
        Whats even more hilarious is you post straight line racing with BMWs on your forum and then you use the convenient execuse that BMW's aren't made for straight line when one looses. Adding to the hilarity is that you resort to personal attacks to people who post their opinions like its all about you and not about a car. Give your head a shake.
        Oh so BMW's never win races either? Gotcha.

        A lot of things get posted here including straightline races. Unfortunately you are equating a car and motor SOLELY based on starightline racing and based on this sole video which is idiotic.

        Funny how with bolt on's I raced my friends C5 Z06 with a cam and beat him. How was that possible? I had less power. This guys M3 clearly is not set up for performance or he wouldn't have chosen Dinan and Hartge 20's to begin with.

        That wasn't a personal attack, I don't think you can afford to mod an S65 when you are complaining about the cost of an M3 so get something you can afford. If racing in a straightline on a budget is your predominant importance factor maybe get a used C5 Z06, add a cam, and then go looking for M3's with 20's to race from a roll to feel better about your purchase. Just avoid mine.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Baby Jesus... That sir was priceless had to rep you for that one.
        I'm pretty sure he could write anything as long as it was counter to me and you would prop it up. No matter if the basis for the reasoning is flawed or not.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Removing 20's isn't winning that race for that M not even close...
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I'm pretty sure he could write anything as long as it was counter to me and you would prop it up. No matter if the basis for the reasoning is flawed or not.
        Baby Jesus is hilarious if you don't get it, that's half the fun.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Removing 20's isn't winning that race for that M not even close...
        The Hartge 20's are not a performance wheel and the Dinan tune is MILD. When have you ever seen a Dinan street tune being more aggressive than other tuners or setting records?

        I'd call up Evolve and tell them to give me a real performance tune and I would get... oh, HRE C90's in a 19 inch. Save 8 per wheel and get a lot more power. I think then we would all be wondering why the lighter Vette with its bigger motor is struggling. Then of course it would be a piece of junk based on a sole video.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The Hartge 20's are not a performance wheel and the Dinan tune is MILD. When have you ever seen a Dinan street tune being more aggressive than other tuners or setting records?

        I'd call up Evolve and tell them to give me a real performance tune and I would get... oh, HRE C90's in a 19 inch. Save 8 per wheel and get a lot more power. I think then we would all be wondering why the lighter Vette with its bigger motor is struggling. Then of course it would be a piece of junk based on a sole video.
        Woulda, coulda but didn't happen. Tune and wheel lessens the gap does not in that race. But whatever makes you feel better I fully support
      1. Irishace's Avatar
        Irishace -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        If racing in a straightline on a budget is your predominant importance factor maybe get a used C5 Z06, add a cam, and then go looking for M3's with 20's to race from a roll to feel better about your purchase. Just avoid mine.
        Stating that I would need to avoid your car suggests that your car is actually on the road. Keep putting it on the tee and I will keep smoking it over the fence.