• Watch a Dinan 4.6 liter stroker S65 V8 E92 M3 get smacked around by a cammed C5 Z06

      To get a lot more power of the E92 M3 in NA form beyond bolt ons increasing the displacement is really the way to go. An extra 600cc's is a nice chunk to pick up made possible by the relatively short stroke in stock form providing quite a bit of room to grow. However, the LS6 V8 under the hood of the C5 Z06 is sill larger at 5.7 liters. With an aggressive cam only the Z06 can put out in the 420 wheel range and with exhaust and intake 450 wheel is within reason.


      The S65 V8 at 4.6 liters is capable of 441 wheel horsepower. So, on paper, this actually makes for a fairly good race especially with a DCT M3. Yes, the C5 Z06 has a weight advantage but the M3's higher redline makes for a gearing advantage. So what is the problem? The 20 inch Hartge wheels the owner chose to put on his car which are basically boat anchors sapping power. The Hartge badge on the trunk clearly not making it up for it.

      Furthermore, the 441 wheel number for a stroker M3 came from an RDsport setup, not Dinan. Dinan uses a fairly mild tune and has yet to demonstrate as high of dyno numbers with their motor. To really take advantage of this setup the M3 owner needs to ditch the wheels, get a new tune, and also look into Schrick cams as the stroker moves the peak of the powerband to the left. Much more horsepower is there to be had by moving the torque curve to the right towards redline with a more aggressive profile similar to how this Z06 gains power with its cam setup.

      Enjoy the race, but seems silly for the M3 owner to spend all that money on the motor only to limit it in other areas.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Dinan 4.6 Stroker M3 vs C5 Z06 started by Sledgehammer View original post
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      1. The Ghost's Avatar
        The Ghost -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by oldgixxer Click here to enlarge
        'Murica $#@!es!!! $40k in mods&M3 still cant hang with a old ass vette with a $300 cam
        Haha, perfect!
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It isn't apples to apples. Anyone who expects BMW's to match Chevy small block V8's in dollars per mods needs to have their head examined.

        The M3 in the video isn't a joke at all. The owner just has it set up for looks and not performance. He needs to figure out what he wants to do, be fast or look good? If he wants to be faster there are some things he needs to do like get a tune and ditch the Hartge 20's.
        What exactly would he need to do to win that run? Ditching the wheels ain't gonna do it...
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        What exactly would he need to do to win that run? Ditching the wheels ain't gonna do it...
        find me a similar vette and we can re-create it with a bit more power for an M Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        What exactly would he need to do to win that run? Ditching the wheels ain't gonna do it...
        Tune and ditch the wheels, that's it.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        find me a similar vette and we can re-create it with a bit more power for an M Click here to enlarge
        Lemme see what I can do
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        What exactly would he need to do to win that run? Ditching the wheels ain't gonna do it...
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Tune and ditch the wheels, that's it.
        I don't know about that, especially looking at video from the M3 & how badly the Vette pulled away. It seems like after the hit, the Vette shifts into the next gear & takes off

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        find me a similar vette and we can re-create it with a bit more power for an M Click here to enlarge
        Your car hasn't been parted out yet?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        I don't know about that, especially looking at video from the M3 & how badly the Vette pulled away. It seems like after the hit, the Vette shifts into the next gear & takes off
        We'd have to see what he's putting down now and then what after. That doesn't even look like he's much above 400 whp...
      1. oldgixxer's Avatar
        oldgixxer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        What exactly would he need to do to win that run? Ditching the wheels ain't gonna do it...
        Simple: steal the Vettes engine&stuff it under the hood of the M3 Click here to enlarge
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        I don't know about that, especially looking at video from the M3 & how badly the Vette pulled away. It seems like after the hit, the Vette shifts into the next gear & takes off


        Your car hasn't been parted out yet?
        Still waiting on Lost to spill the beans... He's been real quiet LOL. But I don't see wheels and a tune doin much to change the results.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by oldgixxer Click here to enlarge
        Simple: steal the Vettes engine&stuff it under the hood of the M3 Click here to enlarge
        Thats blasphemy the S65 is the greatest motor ever built. A model volumetric efficiency and superior design. Dropping a lightweight cam in block motor that makes more power wouldn't work.
      1. blkclk550's Avatar
        blkclk550 -
        i spank M3's in my clk daily
      1. RnmEvo9's Avatar
        RnmEvo9 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by blkclk550 Click here to enlarge
        i spank M3's in my clk daily
        Blasphemy! Since M3s have no trouble against C63s, they would absolutely annihilate anything less than a AMG. Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by blkclk550 Click here to enlarge
        i spank M3's in my clk daily
        Don't start with your CLK550 versus M3 nonsense again. Your track numbers don't support anything you say.
      1. 7to3_enthusiast's Avatar
        7to3_enthusiast -
        I see nothing but negative sh*& hating on BMW when I come to this site but it's interesting all the same. Since when did BMW ever focus on having the fastest car in a straight line? Especially these latest generations of BMW's. This outcome comes as no surprise to me at all. The M has less displacement and more weight, and it's up against a Z06 which is one hell of a car to beat.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 7to3_enthusiast Click here to enlarge
        I see nothing but negative sh*& hating on BMW when I come to this site
        pretty funny that we own bmw's here huh Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 7to3_enthusiast Click here to enlarge
        I see nothing but negative sh*& hating on BMW when I come to this site but it's interesting all the same. Since when did BMW ever focus on having the fastest car in a straight line? Especially these latest generations of BMW's. This outcome comes as no surprise to me at all. The M has less displacement and more weight, and it's up against a Z06 which is one hell of a car to beat.
        Honestly it's mostly from narrow minded people. Some can't appreciate engineering or different approaches to motors and cars.

        The N54 has bred a single dimensional enthusiast mindset based on superiority of a vehicle built around acceleration performance. Even attempting to point this out to the people who are stuck in this mindset is not processed by said people.

        It's like trying to explain fine wine to a beer drinker. They just know one is cheap and gets them drunk.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Thats blasphemy the S65 is the greatest motor ever built. A model volumetric efficiency and superior design. Dropping a lightweight cam in block motor that makes more power wouldn't work.
        If you are going to make a point do it logically. LS swaps work in everything.

        You can swap an LS into a Porsche 911. So what?

        Do you ever drive a car for enjoyment or is strictly side by side pulls? You live your life a quarter mile of a time?
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        If you are going to make a point do it logically. LS swaps work in everything.

        You can swap an LS into a Porsche 911. So what?

        Do you ever drive a car for enjoyment or is strictly side by side pulls? You live your life a quarter mile of a time?
        Everyone else knew that was sarcasm...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Everyone else knew that was sarcasm...
        That's fine but I'm refuting it.
      1. TTFS's Avatar
        TTFS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
        Ugh, this misinformation on forums is damn ridiculous. Especially when it's so easy to just simply search. Everything is on google. The E92 M3 weighs 3552 lbs. Inside line shows the weight at 3700 lbs but have tested a few in the 3500 range. Realistically, the E92 weighs 120 lbs more than the E46 M3. Not that much weight considering the overall size difference. ,

        http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...-amg-jan12.pdf
        Attachment 24338Click here to enlarge i cant wait to hear " How car an driver is more accurate.Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by m3816 Click here to enlarge
        Attachment 24338Click here to enlarge i cant wait to hear " How car an driver is more accurate.Click here to enlarge
        We've gone over it already that BMW lists the weight with the driver. Not sure why it isn't clicking.

        Here is the car actually weighed:

        http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...weight-is-35XX