• Watch a Dinan 4.6 liter stroker S65 V8 E92 M3 get smacked around by a cammed C5 Z06

      To get a lot more power of the E92 M3 in NA form beyond bolt ons increasing the displacement is really the way to go. An extra 600cc's is a nice chunk to pick up made possible by the relatively short stroke in stock form providing quite a bit of room to grow. However, the LS6 V8 under the hood of the C5 Z06 is sill larger at 5.7 liters. With an aggressive cam only the Z06 can put out in the 420 wheel range and with exhaust and intake 450 wheel is within reason.


      The S65 V8 at 4.6 liters is capable of 441 wheel horsepower. So, on paper, this actually makes for a fairly good race especially with a DCT M3. Yes, the C5 Z06 has a weight advantage but the M3's higher redline makes for a gearing advantage. So what is the problem? The 20 inch Hartge wheels the owner chose to put on his car which are basically boat anchors sapping power. The Hartge badge on the trunk clearly not making it up for it.

      Furthermore, the 441 wheel number for a stroker M3 came from an RDsport setup, not Dinan. Dinan uses a fairly mild tune and has yet to demonstrate as high of dyno numbers with their motor. To really take advantage of this setup the M3 owner needs to ditch the wheels, get a new tune, and also look into Schrick cams as the stroker moves the peak of the powerband to the left. Much more horsepower is there to be had by moving the torque curve to the right towards redline with a more aggressive profile similar to how this Z06 gains power with its cam setup.

      Enjoy the race, but seems silly for the M3 owner to spend all that money on the motor only to limit it in other areas.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Dinan 4.6 Stroker M3 vs C5 Z06 started by Sledgehammer View original post
      Comments 226 Comments
      1. rader1's Avatar
        rader1 -
        Not much of a suprise. Without a blower an M3 just isn't an impressive car.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
        Not much of a suprise. Without a blower an M3 just isn't an impressive car.
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        The Dinan stroker needs an aggressive tune. And a set of Schrick cams.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
        Not much of a suprise. Without a blower an M3 just isn't an impressive car.
        well, Dinans stuff and currently the N/A form of the S65 is lacking. Im hoping VAC's builds set the bar way above what we have seen so far from others

        Although, this is a direct example of how $#@!ty bmw delivered the S65. its a V8 and waaaay underpowered in N/A form.. funny how that seems to escape some people..
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        DAYUM!! look at that Award Winning, Flat TQ Delivering, High Output, High State of Tune, Less Expensive S65 motor crush that...... oh , $#@!.. nevermind..
      1. oldgixxer's Avatar
        oldgixxer -
        'Murica $#@!es!!! $40k in mods&M3 still cant hang with a old ass vette with a $300 cam
      1. lvlemphiz's Avatar
        lvlemphiz -
        I would have just opened up a bottle and wacked the M3 with a 150 shot...would have made for a better race. Stroker kit = $$$$? ...a nitrous setup would have kept his wallet a little heavier and the car a good bit faster
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        I waas curious what the responses would be... Dinan is a great and long standing name in tuning for BMW's, hell my E30 M3 had a few Dinan bits at one point. But after I say the video and did some research on the cost and power I was amazed. The cost of the motor is like a 1/3 of the car, Dinan or not thats a $#@! load of cash. I thought it would be faster and then I found the article Sticky did on the Dinan vs RD Sport article and a magazine test from years ago and the numbers dont add up.

        The S65 needs a blower for sure to really shine... I would love to see the 4.6 stroker with the right compression and A&A kit on top that sounds awesome but not sure its been done successfully. Funny thing is Ford has been making modular motors with 4.6L & 32V's since the early 90's. Somehow I expected this 4.6 stroker to be insanely faster than a stock M3. I am searching for more vids as it interests me now.
      1. Sered's Avatar
        Sered -
        How is Dinan a great name for BMW? At this point, my exposure to them has been in the N54 and S65 fields; and they definitely aren't evoking a 'great name'. More like overpriced and overhyped. It's kind of like HKS or Greddy on the Japanese cars. At one point in time they made good stuff and were the only ones making parts; but now they're just living off their name and delivering overpriced junk that rusts easily.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
        How is Dinan a great name for BMW? At this point, my exposure to them has been in the N54 and S65 fields; and they definitely aren't evoking a 'great name'. More like overpriced and overhyped. It's kind of like HKS or Greddy on the Japanese cars. At one point in time they made good stuff and were the only ones making parts; but now they're just living off their name and delivering overpriced junk that rusts easily.
        Dinan is a long standing name with a great reputation... The clientele is different than the typical aftermarket customer they can afford to buy the complete cars more often than not. I'm not stating they are a good or bad value or that the performance of their products is more or less stellar than others. But the fact remains they are one of if not the the oldest US based BMW tuners I am aware of since the late 70's if I am correct. They offer complete cars with warranties via BMW dealers which is rare in this game. So I give credit where credit is due.

        As I stated I expected more performance from that stroker motored car for the money it cost. Its a unique motor for those who want an all motor car but the performance lacks to me.
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        Thats a pretty hefty whooping of ass.
      1. Sered's Avatar
        Sered -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Dinan is a long standing name with a great reputation... The clientele is different than the typical aftermarket customer they can afford to buy the complete cars more often than not. I'm not stating they are a good or bad value or that the performance of their products is more or less stellar than others. But the fact remains they are one of if not the the oldest US based BMW tuners I am aware of since the late 70's if I am correct. They offer complete cars with warranties via BMW dealers which is rare in this game. So I give credit where credit is due.
        From my perspective, their reputation is one that releases overpriced and underperforming products. Their only bonus is the warranty deal.

        FWIW, Greddy and HKS also cater to high-end customers (with complete special edition cars), but they can do that because of their brand-name; not because they are more skilled than the small shop down the corner
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
        From my perspective, their reputation is one that releases overpriced and underperforming products. Their only bonus is the warranty deal.

        FWIW, Greddy and HKS also cater to high-end customers (with complete special edition cars), but they can do that because of their brand-name; not because they are more skilled than the small shop down the corner
        Warranty gets you added performance with factory reliability vs aftermarket is good luck if it breaks but more power. As previously stated the clientele is different. I.E. Customers who want all the power and risk vs customers who want added power and no risk. To each their own
      1. Blaizon's Avatar
        Blaizon -
        The vette driver is shifting slow as $#@! too. What's a mild cam i/e C5z put out 420-430rwhp? I would think the m3 would be around the same hp? At the end of it...this race is about area under the curve and weight advantage for the c5z.
      1. fast4door's Avatar
        fast4door -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
        How is Dinan a great name for BMW? At this point, my exposure to them has been in the N54 and S65 fields; and they definitely aren't evoking a 'great name'. More like overpriced and overhyped. It's kind of like HKS or Greddy on the Japanese cars. At one point in time they made good stuff and were the only ones making parts; but now they're just living off their name and delivering overpriced junk that rusts easily.
        Dinan has been around for a while, and they are a pretty reputable company..and Greddy and HKS still make great products..I had the HKS Legamax exhaust on my 335i..not only was it found to be the exhaust with the best gains by an independent study..quality, sound, fitment, and looks were all top notch..defintely one of my favorite exhaust Ive ever had
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        The Dinan Stroker M3 has been up for sale on M3Post since September, it's been reduced to $60k OBO

        http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=dinan

        Here's the modlist
        Original Factory Options Include:
        -Technology Package
        -DCT
        -Rear Park Assist
        -Enhanced Premium Sound
        -HD Radio


        Aftermarket Upgrades:

        Motor:
        - Dinan 4.6L Stroker with the Under drive Pullies - Clamed 527 HP
        - Grouppe M Carbon Fiber Intake
        - Custom Painted Hartge Engine Cover

        Exhaust:
        - Active Autowerke Catless X-Pipe
        - Active Autowerke Rear Mufflers

        DCT Tranny/ Differential:
        - DCT Flash (No lag in-between shifts)
        - Dinan 3.62 Limited Slip Differential

        Wheels/Tires:

        - Front - Hartge 20x9 Conti Sport 3 Tires have 75%left
        - Rear - Hartge 20x10 Conti Sport 3 Tires have 75%left

        Brakes:

        - Front – Brembo 380mm 6 Piston Painted Silver with Black Hartge Logo
        - Rear – Brembo 380mm 4 Piston Painted Silver with Black Hartge Logo

        Suspension:
        - RD Sport Springs
        - RD Sport Front Sway Bar

        Body:
        - OEM Front Bumper with Hartge Molded Front Lip and The Carbon Fiber Tabs
        - OEM Rear Bumper with Hartge Molded Diffuser
        - Hartge Side Sills
        - Hartge Carbon Roof Spoiler. (The Paint is Blended to Expose Naked Carbon Fiber in Middle to Match the Roof)
        - Vorstiener E92 Double sided Carbon Truck (Also has the Paint Blended to expose the Naked Carbon Fiber)
        - Hartge Front and Rear Emblems
        - Hartge Ghost Graphic on doors that matches the Interlagos Blue
        - Flat Black Front Grills
        - Carbon Fiber Kidney Grills
        - Top half of mirror is Carbon Fiber low half is Interlagos Blue
        - Carbon Fiber Hood Vents

        Interior:

        - BMW Performance Seats
        - BMW Performance V1 Steering wheel (Custom Flat Bottom With Shift lights, G meter, Ect….)
        - Hartge Sliver Carbon Fiber interior
        - Hartge E-brake Lever and I-Drive wheel
        - Hartge Pedal Set
        - Custom Suede Matched rear BMW Performance seats (BMW Perf. Logo is in the headrests and has the seats have the same ribbing as the front seats)
        - Custom Suede Matched Door Panels Front and Rear.
        - Macht Schnell gauge panel in place of Ash Tray
        - Macht Schnell Passenger Occupancy Sensor (Doesn’t seem to be working, Airbag light comes on from time to time)
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Beautiful car... I like it, question in my head is why it says Hartge if its a Dinan setup
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Beautiful car... I like it, question in my head is why it says Hartge if its a Dinan setup
        Clearly the owner had an obsession, cause it makes zero sense having the power dome decorated with Hartge & their colors. I'm loving those wheels tho
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Clearly the owner had an obsession, cause it makes zero sense having the power dome decorated with Hartge & their colors. I'm loving those wheels tho
        The car is sexy as phuck bro, cant deny it. Love the trunk and the wheels, just all the cross advertising is throwing me LOL
      1. JonsC63AMG's Avatar
        JonsC63AMG -
        M3 needs a bigger motor.