• ESS dyno discrepancy, what is up with it and will ESS respond?

      Now, we have had several discussions about ESS and I feel I was too aggressive in retrospect. However, today, I was reminded why I was so aggressive in pointing out what ESS does regarding misleading people with dyno graphs.

      There was a discussion on e46fanatics regarding a blown motor by VF and ESS got dragged in. Roman@ESS then made this post:

      http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showpos...7&postcount=89

      Quote Originally Posted by Roman@ESS
      ESS VT3 supercharged S54: pump fuel / Vortech blower

      Now, what is funny about this S54 setup? It is the exact same graph ESS used for an E92 M3 setup:

      http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showpos...0&postcount=33

      Quote Originally Posted by Asbjorn@ESS

      Here is a dynorun of a dealers project E92 M3.

      Engine : Stock
      Kit : ESS VT2-600
      Software : ESS "Race" tune
      Fuel : 98RON
      Exhaust : Custom catless exhaust

      Attachment 344845
      I am shocked, freaking shocked, they would actually not remember they posted the same graph for two different setups on two different cars and not realize that they would get caught. Now, you might be asking yourself, does ESS really mislead people this way with graphs?

      Well, I honestly wanted to mend fences with them. I wrote an e-mail to ESS earlier this week thinking that maybe I went went overboard and somehow I was actually in the wrong. This is what I said:

      Quote Originally Posted by Sticky
      I feel that maybe lines were drawn unfairly and certain things became tuner vs. tuner. In the future, if I know how ESS likes to market, you will definitely want to have your product on BimmerBoost. Basically, I would like to open a dialog with ESS and give you the opportunity to at least address some of the claims that were made. I do not have any desire to exclude you or treat you unfairly and want to give you and ESS a fair chance if it is possible. I am not asking for sponsorship or vendor fees or anything like simply attempting to not divide the forced induction communities into separate camps. I believe there are a lot of positives to your products and I intend to make a front page thread this week inviting ESS to a fair and open dialog reagarding their forced induction products as there already is discussion on them and some members with them. I would like to end any and all hostilities and if that involves removing past threads you feel are unfair since you were not able to provide your point of view, so be it.

      Let me know if you would be willing to bridge any gaps and willing to respond to a discussion regarding ESS setups. It can be set up as an interview style locked so no one else can participate in the thread if you like. Let me know, I do not want to have ESS excluded and want to do what I can to possibly address any past issues.
      Now I know, this was a mistake. ESS won't change, and ESS will not come here to address the issue. They will continue to hide where they are protected by the moderation.

      We will never get an answer to why their M3 makes over 600 whp through the stock exhaust on pump gas and 8 psi:

      Quote Originally Posted by Asbjorn@ESS

      Tests were performed on a 100% stock car on pump fuel only. The kit is 100% bolt-on.
      Attachment 295172

      Independent dynos are not anywhere near this.

      I want to make it clear, there is no witch hunt against ESS. They make a good product, great product even. I considered their product. I recommend their product and vendors here carry their product and should do so with confidence in it. We are proud to have them. However, their marketing is misleading. NO INDEPENDENT DYNO has even remotely come close to their stock exhaust pump gas dynos. They use the same dyno for various setups to try and make their cars look stronger than they are. My friends, that is straight up lying to people and misleading them.

      Once again, ESS makes great products and they are free to address any of these questions, however, Roman refuses to engage in a discussion with me where there is no moderator control in his favor. I think people should really question the integrity of their marketing if they refuse to answer these legitimate questions with such overwhelming evidence of deception. If Roman and ESS won't address this, that should tell someone all they need to know about the dyno claims.
      This article was originally published in forum thread: ESS caught using the same dyno graph for different generations of cars? started by Sticky View original post