• Car and Driver 2013 Lightning Lap Results and video for LL3 Class, $60,000-$119,999 cars - Audi RS5 beats F10 M5 and F13 M6

      Car and Driver released their Lightning Lap video for the LL3 class (cars in a $60,000-$119,999 price range) cars. Eight cars competed in this class including the Ford Shelby GT500, Porsche Boxster S, Audi RS5, Audi S6, BMW M5, Porsche 911 Carrera S, BMW M6, and Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Black Series. Some very impressive hardware in this category and the comparison was done at VIR (Virginia International Raceway).


      The new F10 M5 did not impress with its driving characteristics. Car and Driver stated the vehicle was very heavy in the 4400 pound range which quickly overwhelmed the tires. The steering was said to be numb but the car did post a respectable laptime which Car and Driver attributed to the power.

      The F13 M6 was stated be incredibly similar to the F10 M5 although it is 206 pounds lighter. Car and Driver did not really like the M6 either complaining about the heft and rear end instability.

      The Audi RS5 actually outlapped both of the previously mentioned BMW M cars despite the large power disparity. It even improved upon a V8 R8 previously tested.

      The full laptime list and video for the LL3 class is below. Congratulations to Mercedes-Benz who had the fastest laptime of the class courtesy of the C63 AMG Black Series Coupe, very impressive:



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      Comments 49 Comments
      1. M3_WC's Avatar
        M3_WC -
        Would have been interesting to see what the M3 GTS would have done on that day. But thanks to BMW we will never know.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        It really is amazing. Based on everything so far seen, I would have never guessed that the ZL1 would have been at the top. Beating a Black Series? I would have never believed it. Especially after seeing it get smoked in roll racing by tons of other cars less powerful...

        Shocking to be honest. Put a lot of cars to shame - although it's hard for each driver to be consistent in every car, so who knows what the true variances are.
        The ZL1 is an impressive car, probably best bang for your buck on the market. The regualr SS Camaro was no slouch either. It beat the M5 and M5 as well.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        They also won ALMS two years in a row and it takes a $100k+ Mercedes with far more power to beat the M3 around the track because the standard C63 can't...

        AMG is getting better but let's not get carried away.
        ....excuses, excuses let me know when any of the current and available BMW's on the market can touch anything the AMG has out there right now by any guys on this forum. BMW's are untuneable, does any tuner have an M5 that can compete with the latest E63 5.5tt offereing from renntech or Weistec?

        AMG keeps introducing cars with greater technology and more HP while BMW waters down their M cars. I can not wait to see a head to head of a 2014 E63 S vs an M5....somebody better give BMW engineers the toll free number to the rape crisis line.
      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        ....excuses, excuses let me know when any of the current and available BMW's on the market can touch anything the AMG has out there right now by any guys on this forum. BMW's are untuneable, does any tuner have an M5 that can compete with the latest E63 5.5tt offereing from renntech or Weistec?

        AMG keeps introducing cars with greater technology and more HP while BMW waters down their M cars. I can not wait to see a head to head of a 2014 E63 S vs an M5....somebody better give BMW engineers the toll free number to the rape crisis line.
        I can't wait to see a head to head of your car vs. Sticky's Click here to enlarge
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
        I can't wait to see a head to head of your car vs. Sticky's Click here to enlarge
        ...trust me, there will be nothing head to head about it, not against my silver car anyway.

        that is if his car even makes it at all....
      1. Jake@Eurocharged.com's Avatar
        Jake@Eurocharged.com -
        Not really that surprising to those of us who have tracked the 63black. Its an amazing machine, and I can only imagine what it would be like with a blower.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        The ZL1 is an impressive car, probably best bang for your buck on the market. The regualr SS Camaro was no slouch either. It beat the M5 and M5 as well.
        M5 and M6 are different types of cars...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        ...trust me, there will be nothing head to head about it, not against my silver car anyway.
        Like I said we're not racing egos. Good luck.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        ....excuses, excuses let me know when any of the current and available BMW's on the market can touch anything the AMG has out there right now by any guys on this forum. BMW's are untuneable, does any tuner have an M5 that can compete with the latest E63 5.5tt offereing from renntech or Weistec?

        AMG keeps introducing cars with greater technology and more HP while BMW waters down their M cars. I can not wait to see a head to head of a 2014 E63 S vs an M5....somebody better give BMW engineers the toll free number to the rape crisis line.
        I think BMW has fallen off but the new M5/M6 are superior to cars they actually compete against as in the E63/CLS63. Mercedes doesn't even have an M6 competitor.

        What do you mean BMW's are untuneable? It's just getting warmed up: http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...2-wheel-torque

        It also puts out more power than the M157 stock OR with the Performance Package. So what are you talking about?

        AMG's greater technology? They don't even have a dual clutch trans available in any of the comparable cars other than the SLS which retails for quite a bit more money.

        AMG needed to give the E and CLS a facelift just to hang with the new M5/M6.

        Oh... and this: http://www.germanboost.com/content.p...els-to-the-USA