• Car and Driver 2013 Lightning Lap Results and video for LL3 Class, $60,000-$119,999 cars - Audi RS5 beats F10 M5 and F13 M6

      Car and Driver released their Lightning Lap video for the LL3 class (cars in a $60,000-$119,999 price range) cars. Eight cars competed in this class including the Ford Shelby GT500, Porsche Boxster S, Audi RS5, Audi S6, BMW M5, Porsche 911 Carrera S, BMW M6, and Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Black Series. Some very impressive hardware in this category and the comparison was done at VIR (Virginia International Raceway).


      The new F10 M5 did not impress with its driving characteristics. Car and Driver stated the vehicle was very heavy in the 4400 pound range which quickly overwhelmed the tires. The steering was said to be numb but the car did post a respectable laptime which Car and Driver attributed to the power.

      The F13 M6 was stated be incredibly similar to the F10 M5 although it is 206 pounds lighter. Car and Driver did not really like the M6 either complaining about the heft and rear end instability.

      The Audi RS5 actually outlapped both of the previously mentioned BMW M cars despite the large power disparity. It even improved upon a V8 R8 previously tested.

      The full laptime list and video for the LL3 class is below. Congratulations to Mercedes-Benz who had the fastest laptime of the class courtesy of the C63 AMG Black Series Coupe, very impressive:



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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        Older generation had PDK as well.
        I believe a 997.1 turbo was being referenced.
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        The 458 ripped the LFA a new one.

        How long did Toyota take to develop that car again?Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        The 458 ripped the LFA a new one.

        How long did Toyota take to develop that car again?Click here to enlarge
        The LF-A is a joke.
      1. whoosh's Avatar
        whoosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I believe a 997.1 turbo was being referenced.
        997.2 and PDK

        http://www.caranddriver.com/features...4-class-page-5

        Cant copy the text from their site. Fuggin iPad.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
        997.2 and PDK

        http://www.caranddriver.com/features...4-class-page-5

        Cant copy the text from their site. Fuggin iPad.
        Well then that's even more damn impressive. The 991 chassis and weight are astounding.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        The 458 ripped the LFA a new one.

        How long did Toyota take to develop that car again?Click here to enlarge
        The LFA is a trophy car... It's rarely gonna be thrashed. DD for the uber rich dude.
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        The LFA is a trophy car... It's rarely gonna be thrashed. DD for the uber rich dude.
        If it is just for DD, there are much better looking cars out there.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        If it is just for DD, there are much better looking cars out there.
        Not as rare nor as exclusive though... Not the I disagree with your point
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Sorry BMW $#@!es....you lose Click here to enlarge

      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        BMW should just drop the ///M all together, they got beat by a $#@!ing Camaro, Mustang and Jaguar LMAO Click here to enlarge


        Now's the part where all you BMW fan boys start bringing up 1000hp turbo E46's LOL......BMW should change their slogan from "The Ultimate Driving Machine" to "Living In The Past" or "Basking In Our Past Glory"

        ...at least one of their engines won Daytona this weekend.
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        Or we care more about sales than performance....

        Or "what are you talking about, the 3 series has been on car and driver 10 best cars for 22 straight years" LMFAO

        Or our I8 was in mission impossible.......
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge

        Or the 3 series has been on car and driver 10 best cars for 22 straight years"
        LMFAO, you are so right, they already have an ad like that Click here to enlarge
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        LMFAO, you are so right, they already have an ad like that Click here to enlarge
        I can't view the video from work. Which Camaro beat the BMW?
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
        I can't view the video from work. Which Camaro beat the BMW?
        ZL1 Camaro, the shoot out is any 2013 car with an MSRP between $60,000 and $120,000, the M5 and M6 both get spanked by a bunch of cars.
      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        Man, I wish I could afford a Black Series.

        Crazy how well that ZL1 performed!
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
        Man, I wish I could afford a Black Series.

        Crazy how well that ZL1 performed!
        It really is amazing. Based on everything so far seen, I would have never guessed that the ZL1 would have been at the top. Beating a Black Series? I would have never believed it. Especially after seeing it get smoked in roll racing by tons of other cars less powerful...

        Shocking to be honest. Put a lot of cars to shame - although it's hard for each driver to be consistent in every car, so who knows what the true variances are.
      1. M3_WC's Avatar
        M3_WC -
        Already discussed weeks ago.

        http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-M5-and-F13-M6
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        Wait till the 2015 Mustang comes out. It's supposed to finally have independant rear suspension. So it'll be faster straight line (as always) than the Camaro and now handle better. I'm betting that it's going to be badass.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        BMW should just drop the ///M all together, they got beat by a $#@!ing Camaro, Mustang and Jaguar LMAO Click here to enlarge


        Now's the part where all you BMW fan boys start bringing up 1000hp turbo E46's LOL......BMW should change their slogan from "The Ultimate Driving Machine" to "Living In The Past" or "Basking In Our Past Glory"

        ...at least one of their engines won Daytona this weekend.
        They also won ALMS two years in a row and it takes a $100k+ Mercedes with far more power to beat the M3 around the track because the standard C63 can't...

        AMG is getting better but let's not get carried away.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Repost merged.