• ESS VT2-625 supercharged E92 M3 with claimed 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi beaten by heads/cam/intake/exhaust Camaro SS with 520 wheel horsepower

      Very surprising race here with an ESS VT2-625 supercharged M3 taken down by an all motor LS3 Camaro SS. On paper, this race should easily go the M3's way considering it is claimed to have 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi and also being the significantly lighter car. 570 wheel with a dual clutch transmission is good for 130 MPH trap speeds which a 520 wheel Camaro SS won't match. More power, less weight, dual clutch trans, the M3 should win rather easily. So what gives?

      The Camaro SS with the LS3 naturally aspirated V8 has modified heads, a cam, intake, and exhaust said to be good for around 520 wheel horsepower.


      BimmerBoost has no explanation other than the M3 likely not making the power claimed (it's easier to race on a dyno than in the real world) and possibly not having the right pulley either. Recently a BimmerBoost forum member stated they had a different pulley shipped with their ESS kit than they should have so it's possible this M3 owner isn't making the horsepower or boost they thought they were. The M3 is also said to be a DCT so how a dual clutch car making more power, shifting faster, and with less weight can lose is beyond reason unless the Camaro has more going on than he is letting on (nitrous).

      This article was originally published in forum thread: ***VIDEO*** BMW E92 M3 (ESS VT-625) vs All-Motor Camaro SS (Mr. TORQ) [HD] started by AWD75 View original post
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      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        close, but you need to find a dynojet 520hp camaro to be fairly accurate, or a DD dyno M3. OORRR a similarly modded camaro on a dj even if #s are not the same
        Something tells me i messed up something there. I can't seem to find it though, i'm too drunk and sleepy. Click here to enlarge
        The Camaro dyno was the best i could find. The HP figures and the mods almost match each other. Please don't tell me the Camaro in the video have different kind of mods.
      1. rader1's Avatar
        rader1 -
        Hmm, I would've expected a flatter torque curve with the LS3. Either way, that is interesting.

        Still, can't really argue with the video. Until we hear from the owner of the M3 it's all moot.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
        I highly doubt the camaro will be trapping 130, but it looks like the m3 isn't going be trapping 130 either.
        Not this one although with the claims it should be.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
        Hmm, I would've expected a flatter torque curve with the LS3. Either way, that is interesting.

        Still, can't really argue with the video. Until we hear from the owner of the M3 it's all moot.
        It also doesn't include the gearing. Just one part of the puzzle.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
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      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        This is the part where this site just sucks... There are now over 8 pages of trying to dissect why the M lost because thats just not possible in the mind of some. That the Camaro beat this thing is plainly evident, short of getting both cars on the same dyno the same day we wont know each cars respective numbers. Nor without the actual M's owner chiming in will we know what the cars performance is like. Unless there are other vids of the M crushing folks or the Camaro gettin spanked it is what it is.

        Its a video, its entertainment and in this one the M took the L. Next one could go the M's way
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        This is the part where this site just sucks...
        WELL..... you are on BimmerBoost Click here to enlarge
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        WELL..... you are on BimmerBoost Click here to enlarge
        exactly.. and this time of year/weather for the north east guys is pretty slow for actual action, so we revert back to ricer-math Click here to enlarge
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        SMH... Weather is just fine minus one snow y'all could run. I'm not even talking to Lost Marine till he spills the beans and says what he is buying. Notice that fool aint said a damn thing about a car. Just sayin
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        SMH... Weather is just fine minus one snow y'all could run. I'm not even talking to Lost Marine till he spills the beans and says what he is buying. Notice that fool aint said a damn thing about a car. Just sayin
        mostly because I didnt have the car back yet. My new car is still sitting pretty waiting to be picked up. I dont want to be like another person we know that has/had a 30 page build thread months before he even ordered the first parts Click here to enlarge

        I have several people lined up for my s/c kit as is, just waiting on 1 to pull the trigger, then my car gets on trailer and heads off Click here to enlarge
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Blah, blah, blah...
      1. 600whp S4's Avatar
        600whp S4 -
        are there any blower e92's in michigan i can fight with?
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
        are there any blower e92's in michigan i can fight with?
        Try the Regional section over here or on any of the other BMW/performance forums & if there are any shops that might do that install-- Sure you'll be able to find at least 1 supercharged M
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        mostly because I didnt have the car back yet. My new car is still sitting pretty waiting to be picked up. I dont want to be like another person we know that has/had a 30 page build thread months before he even ordered the first parts Click here to enlarge

        I have several people lined up for my s/c kit as is, just waiting on 1 to pull the trigger, then my car gets on trailer and heads off Click here to enlarge

        lol...tell' em why you mad son
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Thanks Steve.

        I extended the RPM range of the Camaro. Still, The M3 tops the Camaro but by not much.
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        I also played with the gear/diff ratios to see how much power both car puts down in a specific period. The M3 is the faster car in all cases.

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        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        This is the part where this site just sucks... There are now over 8 pages of trying to dissect why the M lost because thats just not possible in the mind of some.
        Believe me my friend, it's not possible UNLESS something is wrong.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        lol...tell' em why you mad son
        huh?
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        Thanks Steve.




        Believe me my friend, it's not possible UNLESS something is wrong.
        I say again there is nothing to show the Camaro is more than stated or the M less than stated. There's a vid, there's a run and there's a winner. Anything else at this point is hypothetical. Until we get the respective owners to state their piece the vid stands
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        This is the part where this site just sucks... There are now over 8 pages of trying to dissect why the M lost because thats just not possible in the mind of some. That the Camaro beat this thing is plainly evident, short of getting both cars on the same dyno the same day we wont know each cars respective numbers. Nor without the actual M's owner chiming in will we know what the cars performance is like. Unless there are other vids of the M crushing folks or the Camaro gettin spanked it is what it is.

        Its a video, its entertainment and in this one the M took the L. Next one could go the M's way
        M's can lose, that isn't it. A bunch of videos have been shown with BMW's losing so you are looking at it the wrong way.

        The issue isn't excuses for the car it's that ESS kits are portrayed often stronger than they really are. Either the Camaro is making more than advertised or the BMW is making less.

        And analysis of runs for 8 pages is great and why this site rocks.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        M's can lose, that isn't it. A bunch of videos have been shown with BMW's losing so you are looking at it the wrong way.

        The issue isn't excuses for the car it's that ESS kits are portrayed often stronger than they really are. Either the Camaro is making more than advertised or the BMW is making less.

        And analysis of runs for 8 pages is great and why this site rocks.
        so basically if the M owner fessed up and said "hey, its really just a 600 kit and the 570ish whp is incorrect then this discussion should be finished? FWIW....I thought 650 kits were putting down that kind of power....(570ish whp)
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        so basically if the M owner fessed up and said "hey, its really just a 600 kit and the 570ish whp is incorrect then this discussion should be finished? FWIW....I thought 650 kits were putting down that kind of power....(570ish whp)
        570 whp on a DCT is not as simple as they make it seem. I have to go with the M3 is just not making that power.