• ESS VT2-625 supercharged E92 M3 with claimed 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi beaten by heads/cam/intake/exhaust Camaro SS with 520 wheel horsepower

      Very surprising race here with an ESS VT2-625 supercharged M3 taken down by an all motor LS3 Camaro SS. On paper, this race should easily go the M3's way considering it is claimed to have 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi and also being the significantly lighter car. 570 wheel with a dual clutch transmission is good for 130 MPH trap speeds which a 520 wheel Camaro SS won't match. More power, less weight, dual clutch trans, the M3 should win rather easily. So what gives?

      The Camaro SS with the LS3 naturally aspirated V8 has modified heads, a cam, intake, and exhaust said to be good for around 520 wheel horsepower.


      BimmerBoost has no explanation other than the M3 likely not making the power claimed (it's easier to race on a dyno than in the real world) and possibly not having the right pulley either. Recently a BimmerBoost forum member stated they had a different pulley shipped with their ESS kit than they should have so it's possible this M3 owner isn't making the horsepower or boost they thought they were. The M3 is also said to be a DCT so how a dual clutch car making more power, shifting faster, and with less weight can lose is beyond reason unless the Camaro has more going on than he is letting on (nitrous).

      This article was originally published in forum thread: ***VIDEO*** BMW E92 M3 (ESS VT-625) vs All-Motor Camaro SS (Mr. TORQ) [HD] started by AWD75 View original post
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      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        I think its a bit naive is all... I cant claim to know all about all cars as some people around here do. I stick to what I know and have experienced/witnessed. However these dudes really seem to believe a FI M3 is unbeatable. Here's my question when ESS says its a 600 kit, is that mean to be crank or who?
      1. akh23456's Avatar
        akh23456 -
        lol that thread is so funny...at least we have smart people here.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Here's my question when ESS says its a 600 kit, is that mean to be crank or who?
        Yea, whenever it's the ESS-XXX, the XXX stands for BHP/Crank HP. BUT by some amazing forces, the ESS-625 kits are putting down 575 RWHP
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        lol, told you guys it was a funny read Click here to enlarge
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        I see and looks like ERM responded to your post...
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        I see and looks like ERM responded to your post...
        ive never posted there, benzy is a real person Click here to enlarge
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Clearly hit a nerve. I'm not even gonna go back & forth tho, this is the 2nd ESS owner that's brought up me having a 335 & somehow that makes me less knowledgeable/credible? Click here to enlarge

        LM, you might wanna fact check his claims
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Clearly hit a nerve. I'm not even gonna go back & forth tho, this is the 2nd ESS owner that's brought up me having a 335 & somehow that makes me less knowledgeable/credible? Click here to enlarge
        its ok man, they were worse when i had a 335.. oddly enough, it was a 335 that would have raped them Click here to enlarge I havent even read the comments yet. but, i guess you see the peoples real personalities. i mean, its like they have something to gain by blindly supporting something they have no control over. i wont be suprised when someone calls out AWD to race THEM! as if that justifies another car losing somehow.. oh well.
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        what's with people saying 'torque won the race' ... do you know how torque/hp even works?

        not to mention, they start at fairly high RPM, the M3 would have been WELL into it's upper power band.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        OMG these guys are just dumb... No clue about tq curves or for that matter what the Maro weighs. I'm no Maro fan but the weight difference is not that damn big bigger still maybe the M is just slow. They got him on the bottle, on DR's and quoting Grand Am announcers about the cars large frontal area for aero. They say its got forged internals LOL, do they not know it doesnt make you more power by itself or that in many cases its heavier rotating pieces thus taking more power to spin. Gotta love fan boys

        The phrase any given Sunday comes to mind
        Ya dude tons of all motor Camaro's trapping 130+ right?

        It isn't anything about torque. A roll on race is won by top end HP, period or you can go race a diesel. And you mention torque curve without even considering gearing.

        This race makes no sense. A 570 wheel DCT M3 isn't losing to a 520 whp Camaro. The problem is you don't know what pulley, flash, etc., ESS is running as they play games.

        I can tel you this much, my M3 would have crushed this Camaro. Not that the Camaro isn't quick but even blown LS3 camaros have been trapping in the 12X range so something is off here either on the M3 side not being as strong as proclaimed, which is likely, or the Camaro running stronger than portrayed.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Ya dude tons of all motor Camaro's trapping 130+ right?

        It isn't anything about torque. A roll on race is won by top end HP, period or you can go race a diesel. And you mention torque curve without even considering gearing.

        This race makes no sense. A 570 wheel DCT M3 isn't losing to a 520 whp Camaro. The problem is you don't know what pulley, flash, etc., ESS is running as they play games.

        I can tel you this much, my M3 would have crushed this Camaro. Not that the Camaro isn't quick but even blown LS3 camaros have been trapping in the 12X range so something is off here either on the M3 side not being as strong as proclaimed, which is likely, or the Camaro running stronger than portrayed.
        Thankfully everyone has an opinion... Happy New Years!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        what's with people saying 'torque won the race' ... do you know how torque/hp even works?

        not to mention, they start at fairly high RPM, the M3 would have been WELL into it's upper power band.
        AMEN
      1. neilvosko's Avatar
        neilvosko -
        The new n.ring times had the heavy Camaro ahead of m3 Click here to enlarge
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I can tel you this much, my M3 would have crushed this Camaro. Not that the Camaro isn't quick but even blown LS3 camaros have been trapping in the 12X range so something is off here either on the M3 side not being as strong as proclaimed, which is likely, or the Camaro running stronger than portrayed.
        hey sticky - is your M3 all up and running now?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        hey sticky - is your M3 all up and running now?
        No.
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No.
        Click here to enlarge sorry to hear.

        i get a little excited when i see a mention of it that implies its functional state.. looking forward to it a bit haha.. will keep my eyes peeled then Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        i get a little excited when i see a mention of it that implies its functional state..
        It implied a past state similar to the topic of the setup in the thread but one day I'm sure it will be functional again. One day.
      1. Titan9's Avatar
        Titan9 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        where is this located? not many matte bvlue dct cars out there with a 625 kit
        Road looks like DNT. Might be the pulley, wrong size injectors, cooling or tune.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Titan9 Click here to enlarge
        Road looks like DNT. Might be the pulley, wrong size injectors, cooling or tune.
        dnt?

        oh, so, what your implying, is that because ESS lost, there MUST be something wrong with the car? and not that the car is not as fast as the camaro, is that how you take it?
      1. Titan9's Avatar
        Titan9 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        dnt?

        oh, so, what your implying, is that because ESS lost, there MUST be something wrong with the car? and not that the car is not as fast as the camaro, is that how you take it?
        you asked were this took place. i answered you - DNT = Dallas North Tollway.

        As for why the M lost, it could me a number things. On paper it appears the M>camaro. in the video the camaro clearly wins the match. Why did it not perform to the ESS spec? it could be a number of things is all i am saying. Tune, bad injectors, pulley, cooling - possible heat soak, etc. Maybe he needs to swap the gears out. AS for the Camaro, it clearly did what it was set up to do. Flat out straight line speed. would love to see how it performs on a track.

        As for my take. i really don't care.