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    • ESS VT2-625 supercharged E92 M3 with claimed 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi beaten by heads/cam/intake/exhaust Camaro SS with 520 wheel horsepower

      Very surprising race here with an ESS VT2-625 supercharged M3 taken down by an all motor LS3 Camaro SS. On paper, this race should easily go the M3's way considering it is claimed to have 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi and also being the significantly lighter car. 570 wheel with a dual clutch transmission is good for 130 MPH trap speeds which a 520 wheel Camaro SS won't match. More power, less weight, dual clutch trans, the M3 should win rather easily. So what gives?

      The Camaro SS with the LS3 naturally aspirated V8 has modified heads, a cam, intake, and exhaust said to be good for around 520 wheel horsepower.


      BimmerBoost has no explanation other than the M3 likely not making the power claimed (it's easier to race on a dyno than in the real world) and possibly not having the right pulley either. Recently a BimmerBoost forum member stated they had a different pulley shipped with their ESS kit than they should have so it's possible this M3 owner isn't making the horsepower or boost they thought they were. The M3 is also said to be a DCT so how a dual clutch car making more power, shifting faster, and with less weight can lose is beyond reason unless the Camaro has more going on than he is letting on (nitrous).


      This article was originally published in forum thread: ***VIDEO*** BMW E92 M3 (ESS VT-625) vs All-Motor Camaro SS (Mr. TORQ) [HD] started by AWD75 View original post
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      1. AWD75's Avatar
        AWD75 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        What does this car run in the 1/4? The traps speeds won't be near a supercharged DCT M3, it makes no sense. The car is also way heavier.
        I havent take it to the track, so I dont know.If I do, I will let you know...

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        I'd like to see the dyno sheets on each car... That along with an idea of the starting RPM of each car. My guess is the tq difference is fairly immense and thats an advantage for the Maro. The M has great top end power which is an advantage and the consistency of DCT which can be an advantage against a poorly or slowly shifted manual car. I dont see the big issue personally. Its not like he put car lengths on the M3, the M is there are if folks are honest starting to creep back up. A longer run would have likely seen the M get right next to him. Lastly dyno numbers are not the be all end all of performance. These dyno's read all over the damn place how you run on the street matters more.
        -My dyno sheet is on the first page(click the link that says www.camaro5...).I will try to find the dyno sheet for the M.
        -I am not sure about what was M's RPM but mine was sitting around 4500 if I remember correctly.
        -It was a 45ish roll.
        -Yes there is a big tq advantage for me.
        -I believe if we went up to 200mph or sth like that I believe he would have me.
        -M3 only started to creep back up on first race, due to my slow shifting.If I shifted it little faster(like in the 2nd pull) it would stay where it is and can not creep up. I believe its even possible to open the gap a little more with powershifting...

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by m3816 Click here to enlarge
        exactly. I also like to know if the M had a boost gauge and whether or not if he was seeing full boost (if he had any belt slip then, the result is more realistic. If there was no belt slip, then the m3 is not making more than 530whp which makes it par with what Ess advertise.
        Yes M had a boost gauge. It was seeing full boost. The owner of the M never complained about a boost leak or belt slippage. 570whp is what the owner of the M told me. I also have him on the video(another vid) while he says the specs...

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lughed Click here to enlarge
        In some instances tq can win the race but it would either have to be a big difference in tq with little hp difference or a short run. An old school guy once told me that if you want to beat a big block, roll him from 80. I dont know if it was said but how much tq is this Camaro making?
        Yes it was a big difference in tq between two cars. 470WTQ. Hope this helps
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AWD75 Click here to enlarge
        570whp is what the owner of the M told me. I also have him on the video(another vid) while he says the specs...
        Did he dyno it or is he going by inflated forum dyno figures for marketing?
      1. TTFS's Avatar
        TTFS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Did he dyno it or is he going by inflated forum dyno figures for marketing?

        He probably dyno it on a Dynopack, Click here to enlarge or some super-hero dyno of that nature. If the kit made 570whp Roman would be the first person to preach it!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by m3816 Click here to enlarge
        If the kit made 570whp Roman would be the first person to preach it!
        That's actually exactly what he preaches. Claims of 600+ whp too...
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        50 HP Max​ Drivetrain Loss on ESS Kits
      1. AWD75's Avatar
        AWD75 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Did he dyno it or is he going by inflated forum dyno figures for marketing?
        He dynoed it, but I dont know which dyno it was.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AWD75 Click here to enlarge
        He dynoed it, but I dont know which dyno it was.
        Love to see his graph.
      1. 600whp S4's Avatar
        600whp S4 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Torque... That LS has boat loads of it from most every rpm especially down low. The M3 while efficient does not have the Tq to move it down low. DCT helps it not get destroyed and you can clearly see the nose lift on each run on the M3 he is WOT even jumps a slight bit. But tq moves you and that's a great display in what tq does for a car. HP is nice for damn sure but Tq down low and in the mid range is hard to beat. Great run and the M looks the business. Feels local for some reason.

        Thats not always true look at a viper 8.4L tq monster vs a z06.... or look at a viper vs a evo with 450whp the evo wins... Ill tell you what this camaro has a 6.3L or a 7L swap its not a 6.0 with cams and bolt ons....
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        lol, i just saw this is copied and pasted on a less realistic site and people are arguing the $#@! out of it, first that its not supercharged, when clearly the video shows it.. i guess they have a habit of not even watching the video, hearing that the m3 lost and coming up with excuses.. typical.. then another guy says, "who knows, maybe it was running a different kit" lol.. clearly shows the mentality
      1. 600whp S4's Avatar
        600whp S4 -
        can we get 60-130 times out of the nissan gang? I cant race any of them until july when waterfest takes place in NJ but im down for some competition!
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        lol, i just saw this is copied and pasted on a less realistic site and people are arguing the $#@! out of it, first that its not supercharged, when clearly the video shows it.. i guess they have a habit of not even watching the video, hearing that the m3 lost and coming up with excuses.. typical.. then another guy says, "who knows, maybe it was running a different kit" lol.. clearly shows the mentality

        Hahaha was that you started that thread??? I've posted in it a few times, most recently how someone said it must be a lower kit like the 535. Responded w/ that video of you vs. the 600 and there no real difference until 120+
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Hahaha was that you started that thread??? I've posted in it a few times, most recently how someone said it must be a lower kit like the 535. Responded w/ that video of you vs. the 600 and there no real difference until 120+
        no, i thought it was erm?

        no real difference at all from a roll really Click here to enlarge
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        no, i thought it was erm?

        no real difference at all from a roll really Click here to enlarge

        Who cares, I've never seen so many excuses -- "The M3 doesn't have an S/C", "it's not a 625 kit", "the Camaro's using spray", BLAH BLAH BLAH.
      1. DCTM3's Avatar
        DCTM3 -
        Im running a similar set up but down about 20 hp and had no problem with one SS then raced a friends and it hung pretty well, i was shocked. The TQ gets the weight moving pretty good but the top end on the M3 takes a little back in each gear.
      1. AWD75's Avatar
        AWD75 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
        Thats not always true look at a viper 8.4L tq monster vs a z06.... or look at a viper vs a evo with 450whp the evo wins... Ill tell you what this camaro has a 6.3L or a 7L swap its not a 6.0 with cams and bolt ons....
        Maro has stock displacement,6.2L. It is a LS3 engine. Ls2 has the 6.0L

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        lol, i just saw this is copied and pasted on a less realistic site and people are arguing the $#@! out of it, first that its not supercharged, when clearly the video shows it.. i guess they have a habit of not even watching the video, hearing that the m3 lost and coming up with excuses.. typical.. then another guy says, "who knows, maybe it was running a different kit" lol.. clearly shows the mentality
        Any link?
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
        Thats not always true look at a viper 8.4L tq monster vs a z06.... or look at a viper vs a evo with 450whp the evo wins... Ill tell you what this camaro has a 6.3L or a 7L swap its not a 6.0 with cams and bolt ons....
        More often than not it is the case. In terms of the EVO while its a 4cyl motor its got an incredible tq band and with 450whp they go damn well. If the EVO is anywhere near its boost curve its gonna be a problem. When done correctly it has very little in the way of lag.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AWD75 Click here to enlarge
        Any link?
        http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784815
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        OMG these guys are just dumb... No clue about tq curves or for that matter what the Maro weighs. I'm no Maro fan but the weight difference is not that damn big bigger still maybe the M is just slow. They got him on the bottle, on DR's and quoting Grand Am announcers about the cars large frontal area for aero. They say its got forged internals LOL, do they not know it doesnt make you more power by itself or that in many cases its heavier rotating pieces thus taking more power to spin. Gotta love fan boys

        The phrase any given Sunday comes to mind
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        lol....talk about butt hurt....did zim actually say that M3 wasnt supercharged?!.....lol
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Cannot wait to see the amount of $#@! that I create by responding to erm about LM's 535 vs the 600