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    • ESS VT2-625 supercharged E92 M3 with claimed 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi beaten by heads/cam/intake/exhaust Camaro SS with 520 wheel horsepower

      Very surprising race here with an ESS VT2-625 supercharged M3 taken down by an all motor LS3 Camaro SS. On paper, this race should easily go the M3's way considering it is claimed to have 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi and also being the significantly lighter car. 570 wheel with a dual clutch transmission is good for 130 MPH trap speeds which a 520 wheel Camaro SS won't match. More power, less weight, dual clutch trans, the M3 should win rather easily. So what gives?

      The Camaro SS with the LS3 naturally aspirated V8 has modified heads, a cam, intake, and exhaust said to be good for around 520 wheel horsepower.


      BimmerBoost has no explanation other than the M3 likely not making the power claimed (it's easier to race on a dyno than in the real world) and possibly not having the right pulley either. Recently a BimmerBoost forum member stated they had a different pulley shipped with their ESS kit than they should have so it's possible this M3 owner isn't making the horsepower or boost they thought they were. The M3 is also said to be a DCT so how a dual clutch car making more power, shifting faster, and with less weight can lose is beyond reason unless the Camaro has more going on than he is letting on (nitrous).


      This article was originally published in forum thread: ***VIDEO*** BMW E92 M3 (ESS VT-625) vs All-Motor Camaro SS (Mr. TORQ) [HD] started by AWD75 View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        if the the tq is so great on the camaro why the hell are they so damn slow in stock form?? the zl1 barely gets out of the 12's and traps around 117
        Exactly, the Camaro is a slow ass heavy car and even supercharged ones on stock internals aren't beating blown DCT M3's.

        I call BS.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        you guys have no idea the hell your about unleash..



        not everything, just everything you have Click here to enlarge
        I really wish you would race this Camaro.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        Since when do 625 kits make 570whp?
        Let them have their dyno sheet racing fun. This is what happens when you don't make the power you like to claim you do to sell kits to idiot fanboys on forums.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        Hi Andrew,

        What is it that you mean by spikes? The torque curve seems pretty flat, not sure if I am missing something here.
        Spike at peak due to the throttle bodies closing, that is why you get inflated power figures.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Cause this is an "ESS-related thread", figured I'd share with everyone that M3Post Mods just deleted someone's personal thread of their E92 M3 getting the VF650 installed at Rogue Engineering (NJ).... Guessing it was cause RE doesn't sponsor M3Post & it wasn't an ESS kit
        Google cached it, click the link and it's deleted. Should I make an article out of it? How Rogue Engineering and VF-Engineering are getting $#@!ed because they aren't paying off the right people?

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      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Google cached it, click the link and it's deleted. Should I make an article out of it? How Rogue Engineering and VF-Engineering are getting $#@!ed because they aren't paying off the right people?

        I'd say go for it -- Kinda bull$#@! that some1 post their personal experience with a non-ESS kit & it get's deleted by the mods for no reason. I know RE isn't a Bimmerpost sponsor, but a lot of their products are sold through 3rd party vendors (who are sponsors) like Modbargains (banned), HP Autowerks + EAS.


        VAC better watch out that they don't get banned since they're a VF supporter too
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        I'd say go for it -- Kinda bull$#@! that some1 post their personal experience with a non-ESS kit & it get's deleted by the mods for no reason. I know RE isn't a Bimmerpost sponsor, but a lot of their products are sold through 3rd party vendors (who are sponsors) like Modbargains (banned), HP Autowerks + EAS.


        VAC better watch out that they don't get banned since they're a VF supporter too
        I'll write something up, why not, people need to know.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I'll write something up, why not, people need to know.
        I'd say even try contacting the customer directly -- I'll see if I can dig up his info since I did comment in that thread


        Here's the video of the car getting dyno'd at RE:


        **Surprise, comments were all deleted
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        I'd say even try contacting the customer directly -- I'll see if I can dig up his info since I did comment in that thread
        Get me his info ASAP...
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        If anyone wants to try reaching out to this guy on M3Post, his forum name is "Spent198". He's a NJ guy so I'm sure he'd feel a LOT more at home if he came over & joined the ranks at BB

        **I would but still haven't gotten PM privileges back
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        If anyone wants to try reaching out to this guy on M3Post, his forum name is "Spent198". He's a NJ guy so I'm sure he'd feel a LOT more at home if he came over & joined the ranks at BB

        **I would but still haven't gotten PM privileges back
        Well, we need someone with an account or other means to contact him to inform him.

        Good work on getting the username.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Trying to think of people who still have PM ability over there:
        @LostMarine
        @akh23456
        @bobS
        @themyst
      1. themyst's Avatar
        themyst -
        So what is it you want me to PM this guy? But yes, it's a miracle that I am not banned on shivpost. And believe me, Shiv has been trying his hardest to get me banned Click here to enlarge
      1. Sered's Avatar
        Sered -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        horsepower sells cars, torque wins races
        Dumbest thing I've read all day, thanks Click here to enlarge

        I hope you get a physics lesson for xmas Click here to enlarge
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        I'd like to see the dyno sheets on each car... That along with an idea of the starting RPM of each car. My guess is the tq difference is fairly immense and thats an advantage for the Maro. The M has great top end power which is an advantage and the consistency of DCT which can be an advantage against a poorly or slowly shifted manual car. I dont see the big issue personally. Its not like he put car lengths on the M3, the M is there are if folks are honest starting to creep back up. A longer run would have likely seen the M get right next to him. Lastly dyno numbers are not the be all end all of performance. These dyno's read all over the damn place how you run on the street matters more.
      1. TTFS's Avatar
        TTFS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        I'd like to see the dyno sheets on each car... That along with an idea of the starting RPM of each car. My guess is the tq difference is fairly immense and thats an advantage for the Maro. The M has great top end power which is an advantage and the consistency of DCT which can be an advantage against a poorly or slowly shifted manual car. I dont see the big issue personally. Its not like he put car lengths on the M3, the M is there are if folks are honest starting to creep back up. A longer run would have likely seen the M get right next to him. Lastly dyno numbers are not the be all end all of performance. These dyno's read all over the damn place how you run on the street matters more.

        exactly. I also like to know if the M had a boost gauge and whether or not if he was seeing full boost (if he had any belt slip then, the result is more realistic. If there was no belt slip, then the m3 is not making more than 530whp which makes it par with what Ess advertise.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
        So what is it you want me to PM this guy? But yes, it's a miracle that I am not banned on shivpost. And believe me, Shiv has been trying his hardest to get me banned Click here to enlarge
        Just PM this Spent198 guy & find out what happened with his "VF650 Installed at Rogue Engineering" thread. He put up some dynos & just commented on his experience, but the mods killed the thread for no legit reason
      1. lughed's Avatar
        lughed -
        In some instances tq can win the race but it would either have to be a big difference in tq with little hp difference or a short run. An old school guy once told me that if you want to beat a big block, roll him from 80. I dont know if it was said but how much tq is this Camaro making?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Just PM this Spent198 guy & find out what happened with his "VF650 Installed at Rogue Engineering" thread. He put up some dynos & just commented on his experience, but the mods killed the thread for no legit reason
        Yes, hopefully somebody can PM him and let him know about us...
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Spike at peak due to the throttle bodies closing, that is why you get inflated power figures.

        Yeah ours close slowly as they reach redline like stock. They close immediately as max rpm is reached.