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    • ESS VT2-625 supercharged E92 M3 with claimed 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi beaten by heads/cam/intake/exhaust Camaro SS with 520 wheel horsepower

      Very surprising race here with an ESS VT2-625 supercharged M3 taken down by an all motor LS3 Camaro SS. On paper, this race should easily go the M3's way considering it is claimed to have 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi and also being the significantly lighter car. 570 wheel with a dual clutch transmission is good for 130 MPH trap speeds which a 520 wheel Camaro SS won't match. More power, less weight, dual clutch trans, the M3 should win rather easily. So what gives?

      The Camaro SS with the LS3 naturally aspirated V8 has modified heads, a cam, intake, and exhaust said to be good for around 520 wheel horsepower.


      BimmerBoost has no explanation other than the M3 likely not making the power claimed (it's easier to race on a dyno than in the real world) and possibly not having the right pulley either. Recently a BimmerBoost forum member stated they had a different pulley shipped with their ESS kit than they should have so it's possible this M3 owner isn't making the horsepower or boost they thought they were. The M3 is also said to be a DCT so how a dual clutch car making more power, shifting faster, and with less weight can lose is beyond reason unless the Camaro has more going on than he is letting on (nitrous).


      This article was originally published in forum thread: ***VIDEO*** BMW E92 M3 (ESS VT-625) vs All-Motor Camaro SS (Mr. TORQ) [HD] started by AWD75 View original post
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      1. AWD75's Avatar
        AWD75 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TZ04XJR Click here to enlarge
        If LM doesn't want to post it on GTBoard for you I can.. Honestly the M3 section doesn't get too much traffic. M5 & M6 owners seem to be the majority of users. The E39 M5 section typically has as many active members as the E60 and E63 M5/6 combined.. Lol. I honestly most people would see it in the E60 area.. Click here to enlarge
        I dont know about LM, but I dont mind having you posting the vid elsewhere Click here to enlarge
      1. TZ04XJR's Avatar
        TZ04XJR -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AWD75 Click here to enlarge
        I dont know about LM, but I dont mind having you posting the vid elsewhere Click here to enlarge
        Done.. E60 M5 section. Abundance of ESS "enthusiast" over there.. I'm curious to see how some individuals comprehend and respond Click here to enlarge
      1. fast4door's Avatar
        fast4door -
        I dont know...camaro is fast for sure, but the 50whp and weight advantage should have canceled out the torque advantage the camaro had..maybe that M3 isnt running right
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TZ04XJR Click here to enlarge
        Done.. E60 M5 section. Abundance of ESS "enthusiast" over there.. I'm curious to see how some individuals comprehend and respond Click here to enlarge
        Linky....
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AWD75 Click here to enlarge
        I dont know about LM, but I dont mind having you posting the vid elsewhere Click here to enlarge
        lol, i am definitly NOT the guy to go bat$#@! crazy to defend a car just because of the label on it Click here to enlarge
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TZ04XJR Click here to enlarge
        Done.. E60 M5 section. Abundance of ESS "enthusiast" over there.. I'm curious to see how some individuals comprehend and respond Click here to enlarge
        putting it in the video section of m3post would be WAAAAAY more exciting Click here to enlarge
      1. TZ04XJR's Avatar
        TZ04XJR -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Linky....
        I'm not by any means trying to promote any other forum.. But here you go for entertainment sake. A good amount of views just not too many responses yet..

        http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60...camaro-ss.html

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        lol, i am definitly NOT the guy to go bat$#@! crazy to defend a car just because of the label on it Click here to enlarge


        putting it in the video section of m3post would be WAAAAAY more exciting Click here to enlarge
        I'm not a member over there. I agree there would likely be a lot more "discussion" about the outcome.. Maybe even a couple tears Click here to enlarge
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TZ04XJR Click here to enlarge
        I'm not a member over there. I agree there would likely be a lot more "discussion" about the outcome.. Maybe even a couple tears
        tears of rage maybe, then the usual : Attachment 22655
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AWD75 Click here to enlarge
        Is it too low or too high? I though it was putting down right #'s with exhaust. Click here to enlarge

        570WHP is what the owner told me...
        High if it made 570 whp what would it make crank? more than 650...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        Since when do 625 kits make 570whp?
        Since people started playing dyno number games to show how strong their kit is instead of actually running it.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TZ04XJR Click here to enlarge
        I'm not by any means trying to promote any other forum.. But here you go for entertainment sake. A good amount of views just not too many responses yet..

        http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60...camaro-ss.html



        I'm not a member over there. I agree there would likely be a lot more "discussion" about the outcome.. Maybe even a couple tears Click here to enlarge
        By FAR the lowest knowledge level of any BMW forum. And don't mention you beat an M5 with an M3, members heads explode.
      1. bagsonjpxssjj's Avatar
        bagsonjpxssjj -
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      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bagsonjpxssjj Click here to enlarge
        激安UGGのブーツ新作販売,UGGムートンブーツ,UGGブーツの正規品通販サイト,UGG(アグ)専門 店アグブーツ正規直輸入配送, 品質保証100%!送料無料!
        I agree !
      1. akh23456's Avatar
        akh23456 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        I agree !
        lol
      1. AWD75's Avatar
        AWD75 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        High if it made 570 whp what would it make crank? more than 650...
        Maybe the 625 badge is a bit underrated? Remember, this M3 has a exhaust as well. But still, I am not an expert in M cars. Did a little searching and found out 625 kits putting down 550whp to 580whp, depending on the supporting mods. IDK...
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Cause this is an "ESS-related thread", figured I'd share with everyone that M3Post Mods just deleted someone's personal thread of their E92 M3 getting the VF650 installed at Rogue Engineering (NJ).... Guessing it was cause RE doesn't sponsor M3Post & it wasn't an ESS kit
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Very surprising race here with an ESS VT2-625 supercharged M3 taken down by an all motor LS3 Camaro SS. On paper, this race should easily go the M3's way considering it is claimed to have 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi and also being the significantly lighter car. 570 wheel with a dual clutch transmission is good for 130 MPH trap speeds which a 520 wheel Camaro SS won't match. More power, less weight, dual clutch trans, the M3 should win rather easily. So what gives?

        The Camaro SS with the LS3 naturally aspirated V8 has modified heads, a cam, intake, and exhaust said to be good for around 520 wheel horsepower.

        Click here to enlarge

        BimmerBoost has no explanation other than the M3 likely not making the power claimed (it's easier to race on a dyno than in the real world) and possibly not having the right pulley either. Recently a BimmerBoost forum member stated they had a different pulley shipped with their ESS kit than they should have so it's possible this M3 owner isn't making the horsepower or boost they thought they were. The M3 is also said to be a DCT so how a dual clutch car making more power, shifting faster, and with less weight can lose is beyond reason unless the Camaro has more going on than he is letting on (nitrous).

      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        horsepower sells cars, torque wins races
        Uh, no, horsepower wins races.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
        So you are telling me that heavy ass camaro with 520whp vs the lighter M3 with DCT and 570whp is faster than the ///M? Wtf?
        Exactly, impossible.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Torque... That LS has boat loads of it from most every rpm especially down low. The M3 while efficient does not have the Tq to move it down low. DCT helps it not get destroyed and you can clearly see the nose lift on each run on the M3 he is WOT even jumps a slight bit. But tq moves you and that's a great display in what tq does for a car. HP is nice for damn sure but Tq down low and in the mid range is hard to beat. Great run and the M looks the business. Feels local for some reason.
        There's this thing called gearing or else diesels would rule roll on races.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AWD75 Click here to enlarge
        No, there is no nitrous. I even put the engine bay shots of the camaro in the vid as well. I will be dialing a 200 shot in a month or so tho... You can find all the info about the car in this link:

        http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258632




        Yep
        What does this car run in the 1/4? The traps speeds won't be near a supercharged DCT M3, it makes no sense. The car is also way heavier.