• ESS VT2-625 supercharged E92 M3 with claimed 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi beaten by heads/cam/intake/exhaust Camaro SS with 520 wheel horsepower

      Very surprising race here with an ESS VT2-625 supercharged M3 taken down by an all motor LS3 Camaro SS. On paper, this race should easily go the M3's way considering it is claimed to have 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi and also being the significantly lighter car. 570 wheel with a dual clutch transmission is good for 130 MPH trap speeds which a 520 wheel Camaro SS won't match. More power, less weight, dual clutch trans, the M3 should win rather easily. So what gives?

      The Camaro SS with the LS3 naturally aspirated V8 has modified heads, a cam, intake, and exhaust said to be good for around 520 wheel horsepower.


      BimmerBoost has no explanation other than the M3 likely not making the power claimed (it's easier to race on a dyno than in the real world) and possibly not having the right pulley either. Recently a BimmerBoost forum member stated they had a different pulley shipped with their ESS kit than they should have so it's possible this M3 owner isn't making the horsepower or boost they thought they were. The M3 is also said to be a DCT so how a dual clutch car making more power, shifting faster, and with less weight can lose is beyond reason unless the Camaro has more going on than he is letting on (nitrous).

      This article was originally published in forum thread: ***VIDEO*** BMW E92 M3 (ESS VT-625) vs All-Motor Camaro SS (Mr. TORQ) [HD] started by AWD75 View original post
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      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        negative
        how do you figure? an M just whooped a built motor 370, a 370 that would rape another members former 370..
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        how do you figure? an M just whooped a built motor 370, a 370 that would rape another members former 370..

        dude seriously...sometimes i really hope your just prodding but sometimes you just sound like youve lost it
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        BTW, heres the same camaro at 20hp less running a blown 5.0


        and to remember a car that I ran


        which is why it doesnt sit well. the 5th gen pulls harder vs a faster car than it did vs a slower car
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        dude seriously...sometimes i really hope your just prodding but sometimes you just sound like youve lost it
        what you mean? if the camaro just "whooped" a car that can beat a 370, then the camaro would massacre the 370 itself
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        how do you figure? an M just whooped a built motor 370, a 370 that would rape another members former 370..
        LOL you act like that M3 had a clean victory and won every pull.


        Let me know when your M is just as fast as the other one that you hold so highly. Last time I checked you was 4 cars back when I had 570whp.
      1. BoostAddict's Avatar
        BoostAddict -
        Nice runs. Looks like a well sorted Camaro. It sounded good, really healthy.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        what you mean? if the camaro just "whooped" a car that can beat a 370, then the camaro would massacre the 370 itself

        1. if you call that "whooped" then you need to watch that race again

        2. is that blown 5.0 the same FI setup as the roush? because there are some VERY powerful blown 5.0s out there

        3. the 370 will beat the V im sure at this point....zim and sal were 1mph off of each other all day long at atco with sal being higher and the 370 was trapping the exact same all day and i was trapping 7mph higher ....if those cars were the same at the track as they were on the highway then why wouldnt the 370 win with 60-70 more whp?
      1. AWD75's Avatar
        AWD75 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        nice dude...where exactly are you located?
        I will PM you.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        if your 6spd which sounded like it your rowing through those gears pretty damn good
        I was actually shifting really slow. I could have done better, but seems like it was enough lol

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        After an official review, the video is deemed Legit.

        I dont like it, but i cant see any real flaws with the performance of both cars.

        Seems the early TQ gave the jump and the M couldnt run him down. I find that hard to believe given the nature of both cars, advantage/disadvantage of each,again, I dont like it, but i cant dispute it Click here to enlarge


        @AWD75 do you know what exhaust? have you met the guy before, know his screen name, anything?
        I know the guy, he is a friend of mine. I believe he is not on the forum tho and I dont know the exact exhaust brand sorry...

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        eh, not my car, so i didnt lose. like i said, i think i can take both cars.. but since we're half a country away, you wanna find me a 500hp 'maro to run Click here to enlarge ?
        Only one way to find out Click here to enlarge What have you done to your M?
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AWD75 Click here to enlarge
        I will PM you.

        sounds good
      1. nismo370's Avatar
        nismo370 -
        yeah Lost, Squeeze did give you a real good beating with less whp than he has now. Lol and the beauty is you can do a damn thing about it lmfao!!!
      1. nismo370's Avatar
        nismo370 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        dude seriously...sometimes i really hope your just prodding but sometimes you just sound like youve lost it
        And the last time i checked my last dyno before i blew her she made 560whp sae. So no, id beat your M all day = )
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nismo370 Click here to enlarge
        And the last time i checked my last dyno before i blew her she made 560whp sae. So no, id beat your M all day = )

        His M3 is slow Nismo would have mopped the floor with him.

        He can talk about 370's losing all he wants he got killed by me we all saw it 570whp. Thats right where nismo was before she blew some how the gopro was offClick here to enlarge
      1. nismo370's Avatar
        nismo370 -
        Squeeze they wont respect till they get beat. LoL. All i gotta say is 600ft trq. = ) rip that M a new one lol.
      1. TZ04XJR's Avatar
        TZ04XJR -
        His maro has always been a freak out on the street.. His old setup was no joke from the vids I've seen. Check out the M5 and M6 vids on his youtube.

        @AWD75 I wish we had run back on your old Hennessey setup. My M is still down though, been 4 months Click here to enlarge Should be ready very shortly.. I'm sure we can still have a good time out on the hwy.Click here to enlarge

        I'm always up around your way.. I should have run you in my loaner car Click here to enlarge
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Since when do 625 kits make 570whp?
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Not to cause more problems, but has any1 challenged if whether or not it's an actually ESS 625 kit??


        Regardless, can't get over how beautiful that matte blue wrap is on the M3 Click here to enlarge
      1. Itsbrokeagain's Avatar
        Itsbrokeagain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        Since when do 625 kits make 570whp?
        If I recall, 650 kits made 570 wheel...at least thats what i remember from dyno sheets before...
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        horsepower sells cars, torque wins races
        May God rest Carrol Shelby's soul in peace, but his famous statement was
        nonsense. Torque means nothing, it's the area under the power curve that matters.

        What torque is good for? If we have two identical engines, the one that makes more torque in a certain rpm band, makes more power too in that power band as power and torque are somewhat related, and that's why the motor with more torque wins against the other one.

        real world experience, we have a trucking company. We have a Volvo FH-16 here that has far better torque/weight ratio than M3 but in lower speeds that aerodynamic has very low effect on the brick-shaped truck, it can barely keep up with a 2 cylinder Fiat 500.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        @nismo370 , you and your car are apparantly slow, i dont know why you run your mouth, you dont have a car to back it up with, never did, never will.

        @Mr.Squeeze , im still waiting on video, but from what i heard, it was a clean yanking everytime except when he started in the wrong gear, and easily pulled.

        and just to be clear, you all act like there is some amazing recipe for my M to get faster. dude has more boost an d an intercooler, WHOAAAAA BUDDY!! no way i can add that.

        to recap, Camaro is fast, faster than I thought. would LOVE to get a run in on him.
        Nismo370 has lost or would lose to Every BMW i own or owned, has never gone faster than, currently tried to and ended up losing his motor.
        squeeze has a very potent TT 370, capable of running with high HP M3's, but not beating, as of yet.
        Ultimate has a tq monster sitting on a high horse that will be tough to beat, but not impossible
        Sledgehammer has a car that rivals superscars and is really the benchmark performance car that any of us would be suprised to beat.
        I currently have a bargain basement supercharger kit, on an ebay built M3, and easily take a WIN if anyone above is caught slipping on their game.

        HP and boost increases are being researched as we speak in case you dont pay attention

        may god have mercy on your souls, because I will not

        @AWD75 im in nj, your car, or one like it local?
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        @nismo370 , you and your car are apparantly slow, i dont know why you run your mouth, you dont have a car to back it up with, never did, never will.

        @Mr.Squeeze , im still waiting on video, but from what i heard, it was a clean yanking everytime except when he started in the wrong gear, and easily pulled.

        and just to be clear, you all act like there is some amazing recipe for my M to get faster. dude has more boost an d an intercooler, WHOAAAAA BUDDY!! no way i can add that.

        to recap, Camaro is fast, faster than I thought. would LOVE to get a run in on him.
        Nismo370 has lost or would lose to Every BMW i own or owned, has never gone faster than, currently tried to and ended up losing his motor.
        squeeze has a very potent TT 370, capable of running with high HP M3's, but not beating, as of yet.
        Ultimate has a tq monster sitting on a high horse that will be tough to beat, but not impossible
        Sledgehammer has a car that rivals superscars and is really the benchmark performance car that any of us would be suprised to beat.
        I currently have a bargain basement supercharger kit, on an ebay built M3, and easily take a WIN if anyone above is caught slipping on their game.

        HP and boost increases are being researched as we speak in case you dont pay attention

        may god have mercy on your souls, because I will not

        @AWD75 im in nj, your car, or one like it local?
        steve you may have just started WW3 on the streets of nj with all this....lol