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    • A peak behind the scene of BMW Forum politics - BimmerPost targets ModBargains

      The BMW forum game is honestly pretty twisted. Full of back room deals with vendors struggling for dominance of one another attempting to get every last dollar from every last user. Some may say this is business but on some websites this is how they extort money. Pay enough to get preferential treatment and your competition will find their posts are deleted, fans silenced, censorship is employed, and those who speak out are banned. This is exactly what ModBargains is experiencing.

      ModBargains was forced off of BimmerPost due to underhanded tactics and came to BimmerBoost looking for an open and fair atmosphere. This website is known by its users and vendors alike as the place that does not play BimmerPost's censorship and banning games favoring certain vendors. To put it mildly, you can buy yourself a favorable position on BimmerPost whereas here we expect vendors to stand on their own two feet. So if a user has something to say, and that something may be bad, we favor the vendor making things right with their customer. This certainly doesn't help the bottom line but respect isn't something you can buy. It's these dirty politics that are one of the main reasons that BimmerBoost and the GermanBoost network exist and are thriving.

      So what happened? ModBargains was on the wrong end of these politics and now any positive reviews of them are being systematically deleted to make it appear as if nobody has anything postiive to say about them. Additionally, if you are on BimmerPost and wish to say something positive about ModBargains, you will be banned and the name will come up censored. The right to free speech or even at the very least for members of the BMW community to voice their pleasure with a vendor are not things allowed if it isn't a vendor who is paying off the right person the right amount in the right manner.

      This was sent to BimmerBoost from a disgruntled BimmerPost member who attempted to say he was happy with ModBargains:


      "You didn't hear this from me... I don't want bimmerpost knowing I am telling you about it, but I read your thread about shift s3ctor sponsorship and thought you would be interested in hearing this.

      I guess they are now censoring their own forum users. Anytime somebody posts the word "modbargains" it appears as "***********" instead. Popular threads mentioning ModBargains are censored and then closed or completely deleted. example: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=769987

      They also are deleting positive customer review threads in the feedback section and keeping the negative review threads on their forum. There are over 100 positive customer reviews in the last 3 months that have been deleted.

      There's an old saying... "Give a person enough rope and they just might hang themselves." That might apply here... censoring the internet like this is simply not acceptable... especially a public forum. I think it's only a matter of time before people notice. A lot of the customers don't know their positive reviews have been deleted. Many of them haven't realized their posts are being censored and closed...[/quote]

      Here is another thread where you notice a user listing his mods and ModBargains is censored out so the user isn't allowed to say where he got his mods he is happy with: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=618868"



      So how about that? Hundreds of positive reviews are being deleted yet a handful of negative reviews, which obviously ModBargains won't even be allowed to address, are allowed to stay in order to sway public perception and the users are being treated like blind sheep. Is this a power ploy by another vendor in SoCal who goes head to head with ModBargains? You be the judge. Regardless, it's happening and it's sickening.

      BimmerBoost does not like having to link to its competition but there are times you put pride aside and do what is right. In this case, letting people know how business is conducted "over there" versus here and how it affects you, the enthusiast.

      BimmerBoost isn't afraid of BimmerPost and isn't afraid to make these issues known. We are the voice of the BMW community and this kind of thing won't be silenced. BimmerBoost thanks its vendors who want to help change the currently corrupt climate that exists in the BMW forum world. And if we have to do it ourselves then so be it.
      This article was originally published in forum thread: A peak behind the scenes of BMW Forum politics - BimmerPost targets ModBargains started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        Which is shame. I'd be happy to pay $1500/mo (3x what they charge now)
        I'll take it.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        I'm sure the answer is somewhere on this forum, but how come N54Tech is allowed to be referenced on E90 & Bimmerboost isn't?
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I'll take it.
        Give me their readership and I'll be happy to pay it. Click here to enlarge
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Drafting for the book starts tomorrow --- Think I finally found a way to pay for mods
        Chapter 1 - Jason's sexual abuse as a child at the hand of his Nazi uncle Gustav
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        Give me their readership and I'll be happy to pay it. Click here to enlarge
        Give the money and I'll get you their readership. Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        I'm sure the answer is somewhere on this forum, but how come N54Tech is allowed to be referenced on E90 & Bimmerboost isn't?
        Because N54tech is a BMS support forum and BMS proxy advertises. If they cut that off as well they would raise even more hell. I'm sure they have thought about it.
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        I'm sure the answer is somewhere on this forum, but how come N54Tech is allowed to be referenced on E90 & Bimmerboost isn't?
        n54tech used to be blocked, and the words "n54tech", "juice box", and "burger", would turn to "********", in an attempt to damage our business. Ultimately though I think enough users complained and they rescinded the policy.
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Chapter 1 - Jason's sexual abuse as a child at the hand of his Nazi uncle Gustav
        Jason is a very odd guy. Back when I was talking to them Mark seemed more reasonable but was very hands off. Perhaps he was just the financier and Jason the programmer. Jason seemed quick to want to be a "tough guy" if you anger him by asking the wrong question or fail to follow one of his directives. But as I understand it he is rather meek and generally friendly in person. I really do think it's small penis syndrome. Hopefully some day they are bought out and replaced, or readership erodes away enough that some other forum (like this one) develops the same critical mass they currently enjoy. It's a bit like Shiv. People only deal with him because they are forced to. Given a viable alternative they are happy to jump ship. Give vendors a viable alternative to e90post and they will leave in droves.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        Jason is a very odd guy. Back when I was talking to them Mark seemed more reasonable but was very hands off. Perhaps he was just the financier and Jason the programmer. Jason seemed quick to want to be a "tough guy" if you anger him by asking the wrong question or fail to follow one of his directives. But as I understand it he is rather meek and generally friendly in person. I really do think it's small penis syndrome. Hopefully some day they are bought out and replaced, or readership erodes away enough that some other forum (like this one) develops the same critical mass they currently enjoy. It's a bit like Shiv. People only deal with him because they are forced to. Given a viable alternative they are happy to jump ship. Give vendors a viable alternative to e90post and they will leave in droves.
        I'm working on it Terry, honestly I am. It isn't simple and I also don't have their budget. So not only do they have a head start and more money to work with, they also censor me. It's an uphill fight but our N54 readership has decent mass. Yes, not as much, but it also can't be ignored at the moment. In all honesty we are the number #2 site for modern BMW's right now same thing with Benz.

        I appreciate your support it definitely makes things easier. I'll start throwing some serious money at this after New Year's.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        n54tech used to be blocked, and the words "n54tech", "juice box", and "burger", would turn to "********", in an attempt to damage our business. Ultimately though I think enough users complained and they rescinded the policy.
        You weren't able to get them to change this? Basically they would have created a civil war by keeping that up.
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        It was years ago and I don't remember when or how it was resolved. Some keywords may still be blocked there for all I know. I don't read the forum often. Several of our dealers resell our products there and if something flames up they will forward me a link to posts I need to read. Other than that I only check in every now and again to see what my once nemesis is up to these days.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        It was years ago and I don't remember when or how it was resolved. Some keywords may still be blocked there for all I know. I don't read the forum often. Several of our dealers resell our products there and if something flames up they will forward me a link to posts I need to read. Other than that I only check in every now and again to see what my once nemesis is up to these days.
        You read this one pretty often... just saying. Click here to enlarge
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Chapter 1 - Jason's sexual abuse as a child at the hand of his Nazi uncle Gustav
        Haha I might need a Chapter 2 after writing that one
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Haha I might need a Chapter 2 after writing that one
        That might actually take up the whole book.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        it also can't be ignored at the moment. In all honesty we are the number #2 site for modern BMW's right now same thing with Benz.

        I appreciate your support it definitely makes things easier. I'll start throwing some serious money at this after New Year's.
        The thing we've got over Bimmerpost is that we not only focus on more on data-backed claims/product testing, you've got a larger audience of performance enthusiasts -- BMW, Mercs, Porsches, VW, and it sounds like you're working on the Domestic/JDM section of the site as well. Gonna be hard to beat a website that appeals to ALL varieties & let people see what's going on other platforms.

        Def be a quality day (and something I'm looking forward to) when Germanboost (or whatever the umbrella name is at that time) starts sponsoring track events on the East & West Coasts.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Def be a quality day (and something I'm looking forward to) when Germanboost (or whatever the umbrella name is at that time) starts sponsoring track events on the East & West Coasts.
        Or running our own events. The more I go to events, etc., the more I see how I would rather do things myself. This Shift Sector garbage reinforced that.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Or running our own events. The more I go to events, etc., the more I see how I would rather do things myself. This Shift Sector garbage reinforced that.
        You've def got the support to do BimmerBoost events out here on the East Coast..... but like you said, it comes down to dollars & cents
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        You've def got the support to do BimmerBoost events out here on the East Coast..... but like you said, it comes down to dollars & cents
        are you psychic as well?
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        are you psychic as well?
        I'm working on that, also potential investor (if I had any $#@!ing $$$). Contemplated for a few hours today if I went the wrong way with this politics thing & should've been a mechanic like my grandfather
      1. rclark's Avatar
        rclark -
        Yikes. Unfortunately, it's a business... Click here to enlarge