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    • A peak behind the scene of BMW Forum politics - BimmerPost targets ModBargains

      The BMW forum game is honestly pretty twisted. Full of back room deals with vendors struggling for dominance of one another attempting to get every last dollar from every last user. Some may say this is business but on some websites this is how they extort money. Pay enough to get preferential treatment and your competition will find their posts are deleted, fans silenced, censorship is employed, and those who speak out are banned. This is exactly what ModBargains is experiencing.

      ModBargains was forced off of BimmerPost due to underhanded tactics and came to BimmerBoost looking for an open and fair atmosphere. This website is known by its users and vendors alike as the place that does not play BimmerPost's censorship and banning games favoring certain vendors. To put it mildly, you can buy yourself a favorable position on BimmerPost whereas here we expect vendors to stand on their own two feet. So if a user has something to say, and that something may be bad, we favor the vendor making things right with their customer. This certainly doesn't help the bottom line but respect isn't something you can buy. It's these dirty politics that are one of the main reasons that BimmerBoost and the GermanBoost network exist and are thriving.

      So what happened? ModBargains was on the wrong end of these politics and now any positive reviews of them are being systematically deleted to make it appear as if nobody has anything postiive to say about them. Additionally, if you are on BimmerPost and wish to say something positive about ModBargains, you will be banned and the name will come up censored. The right to free speech or even at the very least for members of the BMW community to voice their pleasure with a vendor are not things allowed if it isn't a vendor who is paying off the right person the right amount in the right manner.

      This was sent to BimmerBoost from a disgruntled BimmerPost member who attempted to say he was happy with ModBargains:


      "You didn't hear this from me... I don't want bimmerpost knowing I am telling you about it, but I read your thread about shift s3ctor sponsorship and thought you would be interested in hearing this.

      I guess they are now censoring their own forum users. Anytime somebody posts the word "modbargains" it appears as "***********" instead. Popular threads mentioning ModBargains are censored and then closed or completely deleted. example: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=769987

      They also are deleting positive customer review threads in the feedback section and keeping the negative review threads on their forum. There are over 100 positive customer reviews in the last 3 months that have been deleted.

      There's an old saying... "Give a person enough rope and they just might hang themselves." That might apply here... censoring the internet like this is simply not acceptable... especially a public forum. I think it's only a matter of time before people notice. A lot of the customers don't know their positive reviews have been deleted. Many of them haven't realized their posts are being censored and closed...[/quote]

      Here is another thread where you notice a user listing his mods and ModBargains is censored out so the user isn't allowed to say where he got his mods he is happy with: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=618868"



      So how about that? Hundreds of positive reviews are being deleted yet a handful of negative reviews, which obviously ModBargains won't even be allowed to address, are allowed to stay in order to sway public perception and the users are being treated like blind sheep. Is this a power ploy by another vendor in SoCal who goes head to head with ModBargains? You be the judge. Regardless, it's happening and it's sickening.

      BimmerBoost does not like having to link to its competition but there are times you put pride aside and do what is right. In this case, letting people know how business is conducted "over there" versus here and how it affects you, the enthusiast.

      BimmerBoost isn't afraid of BimmerPost and isn't afraid to make these issues known. We are the voice of the BMW community and this kind of thing won't be silenced. BimmerBoost thanks its vendors who want to help change the currently corrupt climate that exists in the BMW forum world. And if we have to do it ourselves then so be it.
      This article was originally published in forum thread: A peak behind the scenes of BMW Forum politics - BimmerPost targets ModBargains started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 103 Comments
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        the post is honestly one of the sketchiest forums around
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        the post is honestly one of the sketchiest forums around
        Yet people put up with it.
      1. Square&Level's Avatar
        Square&Level -
        This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm going to search for my review to see if it was deleted or altered.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Square&Level Click here to enlarge
        This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm going to search for my review to see if it was deleted or altered.
        Let me know what you find.
      1. Square&Level's Avatar
        Square&Level -
        If you like Great Customer Service and You Need Wheels - **********s.com FTW
        I am not going to name the vendor on this forum but I had an awful experience with them. I called Mod Bargains today to relieve my stress, they had the wheels I wanted and provided my tracking number (Not someone else’s tracking number in an attempt to shut me up) the same day. Not two weeks later but the same day!

        Word to the wise: These forums are full of vendors who promise the world, do your homework, stay vigilant and ask questions.
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      1. Square&Level's Avatar
        Square&Level -
        Well as you will notice, my post below was altered, modbargains is censored, which is complete bull$#@!.

        If you like Great Customer Service and You Need Wheels - **********s.com FTW

        I am not going to name the vendor on this forum but I had an awful experience with them. I called Mod Bargains today to relieve my stress, they had the wheels I wanted and provided my tracking number (Not someone else’s tracking number in an attempt to shut me up) the same day. Not two weeks later but the same day!

        Word to the wise: These forums are full of vendors who promise the world, do your homework, stay vigilant and ask questions.
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      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        and yet it continues..
      1. Eric335's Avatar
        Eric335 -
        Bimmerpost simply sucks... Really,it does. Its a Shiv/LTBMW ass kissing fest
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Yet people put up with it.

        people put up with it because they dont know other venues exist....post does a good job at keeping them in the dark about other means of info that dont have their stamp of approval
      1. ekis18's Avatar
        ekis18 -
        That is sickening! I've nothing but good things to say about Modbargains. Got my wheels, DP's and KW's from them in time and the people were always very helpfull
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        I second that.
        The salespersons from Modbargains are always very prompt and helpful.
      1. e46e92love's Avatar
        e46e92love -
        Guys, look at the company that was found to be selling fake eisenmann exhaust (Eisenhaus of whatever they are called). That was a company DEFRAUDING people of their money, and yet, they are one of the sponsors and rotating banners on bimmerpost. I run a VERY successful company, towards the top of our industry because of two things: our products are better and more importantly, our customers know they come first. Jason (the owner at the post) is a New York barred attorney, and I can tell you this much, he probably is some personal injury BS lawyer with no ethics. As a NY barred attorney, it makes me sick that someone from our ranks runs a business as he does. Its a complete joke, and the fact that BMW has anything to do with them (yes, they do, notice that is where they placed their marketing guy "Scott26" and all the free trips to BMW events they provide to Jason).

        Dishonesty is not a requirement of being a successful business, but Jason lives by that. LeManss Blue tried to point out the sketchy wheel vendors, he got banned. Savage got attacked by young punk members after he made some early leaks on the ///M3GTS, he wound up being 100% right, none of his attackers were banned despite them CLEARLY violating forum rules (they just happened to be the young kids spending all the money at the biggest sponsors)......the list goes on and on and on.

        Again, what goes around, comes around and I have found that you never know when the one person you piss off is the person who will bring you down. At the end of the day some of the most respected vendors on the east coast have no affiliation, sponsorship or activities on BimmerPost despite the traffic it receives. When you see businesses choosing not to participate in a forum despite the exposure it would provide, THAT SAYS IT ALL.
      1. Itsbrokeagain's Avatar
        Itsbrokeagain -
        I know LTBMW personally, he doesnt pull the $#@! that Shiv does, I wouldnt group them together.

        That being said, Ive dealt with Modbargains in the past and had nothing but good things to say about them..prompt shipping and customer service is what put them up at the top.
      1. GetSomeE92's Avatar
        GetSomeE92 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        people put up with it because they dont know other venues exist....post does a good job at keeping them in the dark about other means of info that dont have their stamp of approval
        Yeah, but how dumb does one have to be to not know how to run a search on the internet using your favorite search engine to find out information from other sources? That's how I found this forum.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GetSomeE92 Click here to enlarge
        Yeah, but how dumb does one have to be to not know how to run a search on the internet using your favorite search engine to find out information from other sources? That's how I found this forum.

        i could tell you some stories dude....you would NEVER believe me....lol....not to pick on @LostMarine but he didnt even know there were other browsers available for use outside of IE....(not a jab at U steve...just proving a point) some people are just NOT informed unfortunately
      1. StinkyM's Avatar
        StinkyM -
        I'm very subjective to what forums I join and post on. I will never post on E46fanatics nor Bimmerpost. Neither site is full of valuable information. More arguing and bickering about which wheels look better. That's why I joined here. The amount of technical information is astounding here and the level of professionalism is definitely high as well. Not to mention there's a kills section to post as well. It may not have as many members but it's definitely better than many of BMW forums out there.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Who owns BimmerPost ??
      1. leo985i's Avatar
        leo985i -
        Modbargains is a great business. I have ordered many things from them, and I have not had any problems. Everything is always so smooth. Bimmperpost is garbage. What a bunch of $#@!ing commies.
      1. Rodzilla's Avatar
        Rodzilla -
        Ah! I was wondering why when I tried to point someone to check with ModBargains for some mods, its name came out censored. Thanks for providing the truth @Sticky!
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        i could tell you some stories dude....you would NEVER believe me....lol....not to pick on @LostMarine but he didnt even know there were other browsers available for use outside of IE....(not a jab at U steve...just proving a point) some people are just NOT informed unfortunately
        To be fair, I knew of other options, just didn't know why they were better or how. But still relative this convo