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    • New 1M or M1? BMW considering entry level sedan M car based on the F20 1-Series with an M modified N20 turbo four cylinder

      This certainly is an interesting piece of news and potentially a very exciting new M car. A real M car mind you, none of this F20 1 Series "M135i" junk. Apparently BMW is considering producing this 1-Series sedan as a rival to the upcoming Mercedes-Benz CLA45 AMG as well as the Audi A3/RS3 sedan. Since the current F20 1-Series is hatchback only building a sedan on the platform would fill a niche the competition is already gearing up for.


      The exciting piece of news is that the car would receive an N20 engine modified by BMW M. Expect it to have similar output to the Mercedes 2.0 liter turbo motor that AMG is planning to get 340+ horses out of. If Audi brings the A3 sedan to market it is expected to sport the TT-RS 2.5 liter inline-5 turbo motor with close to 400 horsepower. Either way, this is a new entry level performance segment that is already heating up.

      Will BMW build this new 1M or M1? Who knows, but Mercedes-Benz will have the CLA45 AMG on the market relatively soon. Hopefully BMW gives the model the green light as a real M car based on the 1-Series would be great to have. Not to mention it would look a whole lot better than the current M135i hatchback and be more fun to drive. That is, unless they go with front wheel drive which simply is not M.







      This article was originally published in forum thread: New 1M or M1? BMW considering entry level sedan M car based on the F20 1-Series with an M modified N20 turbo four cylinder started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
        Totally agree with that, but the M135i itself seems to be an awesome car.
        I'll take a closer look at it and I'm sure it drives fairly well as a BMW should. I just hate the dilution and think the car proposed in the OP makes far more sense.
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        The new 1-series is hideous. Who cares...
      1. G0TB00ST?'s Avatar
        G0TB00ST? -
        If this car is fwd I will have lost all hope in BMW. As far as the M135i its stupid. The M badge should only go on REAL M cars. Im all for bridging the gap between non-M's and M's but not for whoring out the M badge. Whats wrong with calling it the 135is like they did with the 335is?
      1. cstavaru's Avatar
        cstavaru -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You essentially stated the N54 didn't have an impact because it didn't have an M badge. Well when they gave it an M badge it still didn't change anything. So I think my point stands because you can't prove yours.
        How come the N54 didn't change anything ??? The upcoming M3 is a twin-turbo inline 6, very likely 3-3.2 - liter. Do you think that if the N54 wasn't that successful BMW would have put such an engine architecture in their upcoming M3 ? N54 is a turning point in BMW engineering, and I'm not saying this because I own one Click here to enlarge
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        As for the neverending Sticky vs N54 debate: the E90x 335i certainly impacted M3 sales, as I've seen M3 E46 owners move to the 335i rather than the M3. The 1M production numbers were too low to know for sure how influenced its bigger brother's sales.

        Now if this new "M2" builds on what makes the 1M so good, we certainly have a winner! BMW should just keep it simple and light. And RWD of course! The 1M got great reviews and modded cars are faster around racetracks than the E92 M3 GTS (at almost double the price tag)!! For reference SportAuto tested 1Ms prepped by "AC Schnitzer" and "Versus". At only 400-440bhp and +/- 1490kg those perform marvellously and are great fun.

        So there definitely is a huge market for an M2 as the M3 gets bigger and heavier with every generation, unless BMW breaks this trend with the upcoming F3x M3/M4.
      1. M3GTtt's Avatar
        M3GTtt -
        You are just saying it because you own one.

        BMW is doing a Twin Turbo I6 M3 because they saw mine kicking an S65's ass on the Nurburgring F1 track 4 years ago Click here to enlarge
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        IMO BMW was to late with the s65, it should have made it in the e46 chassis. Audi came out with a v8 s4 to compete with the e46 m3 and so then BMW did. BMW had the m5 engine in the e46 m3 in racing and it was very successful, then the rules changed and they weren't allowed to do that anymore. So they came out with the s65 (derived from the s85 m5 engine) in the e9x m3. Then came gas prices and gov legislature for car companies to get better fuel mileage across all models, so BMW turned to turbocharging technology.

        Now we are entering a era where car companies are trying to make fuel efficient performance cars. Get ready for turbos , superchargers, carbon fiber, direct injection, compound turbos, etc, and IMO get ready for price increases on all performance cars to pay for all this engineering.
      1. M3GTtt's Avatar
        M3GTtt -
        Hestly I am not too concerned with turbos or not, but less weight will be great!

        Honestly I dont care if a car is 3.5 or 4.5 sek 0-100 or if it has 400-500-600hp.

        If the chassis is good, the weight is low and sufficient power, the car will be more fun to drive

        The only think bad about a turbo car is that it will NEVER sound as good as a NA motor.. the S14, S38's , S50's (real ones), S54B32/CSL and the S85/S65 will always have that
      1. cstavaru's Avatar
        cstavaru -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3GTtt Click here to enlarge
        The only think bad about a turbo car is that it will NEVER sound as good as a NA motor..
        For sound you have Hi-Fi systems, cars are for driving.
      1. M3GTtt's Avatar
        M3GTtt -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cstavaru Click here to enlarge
        For sound you have Hi-Fi systems, cars are for driving.
        Really? a screaming engine will increase the driving pleasure exponentially. A car with a nice sounding engine does not require a sound system.
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3GTtt Click here to enlarge
        Really? a screaming engine will increase the driving pleasure exponentially. A car with a nice sounding engine does not require a sound system.
        In a "proper" car you can't hear the audio system anyway Click here to enlarge
      1. M3GTtt's Avatar
        M3GTtt -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        In a "proper" car you can't hear the audio system anyway Click here to enlarge
        hehe True!

        I drove an Enzo with straight pipes, that was PROPPER fun
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3GTtt Click here to enlarge
        hehe True!

        I drove an Enzo with straight pipes, that was PROPPER fun
        ZOMG!!! Click here to enlarge I need to buy you more beers Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cstavaru Click here to enlarge
        How come the N54 didn't change anything ??? The upcoming M3 is a twin-turbo inline 6, very likely 3-3.2 - liter. Do you think that if the N54 wasn't that successful BMW would have put such an engine architecture in their upcoming M3 ? N54 is a turning point in BMW engineering, and I'm not saying this because I own one Click here to enlarge
        I'm not saying in engine design I'm saying in potential customers ditching M cars for something cheaper and easier to mod.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
        Whats wrong with calling it the 135is like they did with the 335is?
        I don't know. I don't understand why BMW hasn't pumped up the "is" badge as a rival for Audi S if it's even necessary.

        M just seems everywhere now. Audi protects the RS badge and models better than BMW does with M now. It's sad.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        As for the neverending Sticky vs N54 debate: the E90x 335i certainly impacted M3 sales, as I've seen M3 E46 owners move to the 335i rather than the M3. The 1M production numbers were too low to know for sure how influenced its bigger brother's sales.

        Now if this new "M2" builds on what makes the 1M so good, we certainly have a winner! BMW should just keep it simple and light. And RWD of course! The 1M got great reviews and modded cars are faster around racetracks than the E92 M3 GTS (at almost double the price tag)!! For reference SportAuto tested 1Ms prepped by "AC Schnitzer" and "Versus". At only 400-440bhp and +/- 1490kg those perform marvellously and are great fun.

        So there definitely is a huge market for an M2 as the M3 gets bigger and heavier with every generation, unless BMW breaks this trend with the upcoming F3x M3/M4.
        That's weird because I went from the E46 M3 to the E92 M3. The 335i isn't impacting M3 sales as when the 335i came out the E46 M3 ended production and there was no M car. When the M3 came out again, it had no problem selling and nobody was choosing a 335i over it unless money was an issue.

        There is going to be a huge market for these entry level performance cars which Mercedes is already capitalizing on. Part of this is because M and AMG cars have gotten so big, expensive, and fat.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3GTtt Click here to enlarge
        You are just saying it because you own one.

        BMW is doing a Twin Turbo I6 M3 because they saw mine kicking an S65's ass on the Nurburgring F1 track 4 years ago Click here to enlarge
        No I'm saying it because the M3 is a better car, which it is.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        IMO BMW was to late with the s65, it should have made it in the e46 chassis. Audi came out with a v8 s4 to compete with the e46 m3 and so then BMW did.
        Several mistakes in your post. First of all, the S65 was not too late it was based on the S85 so it came exactly when it should have come. Secondly, Audi had to go to a V8 to compete with BMW's 6 cylinder. Makes the E46 M3 look all that much better doesn't it?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        BMW had the m5 engine in the e46 m3 in racing and it was very successful, then the rules changed and they weren't allowed to do that anymore.
        It was not the M5 motor, it was a 4.0 liter V8 actually. So technically the M3 already had a V8 in 2001 and they did sell street legal examples.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        Now we are entering a era where car companies are trying to make fuel efficient performance cars. Get ready for turbos , superchargers, carbon fiber, direct injection, compound turbos, etc, and IMO get ready for price increases on all performance cars to pay for all this engineering.
        Exactly hence the market for entry level cars now as all the traditional M and AMG models have gotten bigger and more expensive. If the M3 was still E30 style there would be no place for this car to squeeze in.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cstavaru Click here to enlarge
        For sound you have Hi-Fi systems, cars are for driving.
        LOL! Good point, hence why exhaust systems don't sell and the motor sound is no part of the driving experience. Great point. This is sig worthy.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        In a "proper" car you can't hear the audio system anyway Click here to enlarge
        Good post.