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    • $64,000 dollar question: Automobile Magazine test and comparison of the 2013 Audi RS5, Porsche 981 Boxster S, Mercedes W204 C63 AMG coupe, and BMW E92 M3

      Here is a nice comparison from Automobile where they take four of the hottest German performance cars out right now under $64000 (base price) to find which one is the best. The cars are the 2013 Audi RS5, Mercedes C63 AMG coupe, BMW M3, and the new Porsche Boxster S. The Boxster really being a roadster so it doesn't not fit in cleanly into the comparison but if someone is cross shopping based on price it certainly fits in.


      Automobile puts the C63 AMG in last place. They hated the transmission, understandable with the automatic. They also didn't like its heft. Its track manners were the least desirable. They did like the motor which who doesn't? It was the fastest car out of the group.

      The Audi RS5 comes in third. It also has the highest base price of the group. They said the 4.2 liter with 450 horsepower and an 8500 RPM redline is arguably the best powerplant in this test which is rather hard to believe when the M156 V8 in the C63 and the S65 V8 in the M3 are involved. The RS5 was also called the least impressive on the track. In other words, compared to the others, it's boring. Understeer all day and the brakes had trouble with the heft. Hard to believe it had the fastest lap time of the bunch then. Yes, it really did.

      The M3 finishes in second place or really first of the cars in its class. Automobile states its age is starting to show as it should but the M3 clearly is aging quite well especially considering Audi is bringing a brand new car to the table and Mercedes recently released the C63 coupe. It's also considerably lighter and better balanced than either the Audi or Mercedes, age isn't changing that. The 111 mph trap speed puts it 1 MPH ahead of the brand new RS5 although the C63 was tested much quicker than either. It only beat the C63 by a tenth around the track though either way the M3 is said to be more desirable due to how much fun it is to drive and its great balance.

      This brings us to the first place car, the Porsche Boxster S. Obviously, the Boxster wins because it is the most fun to drive. As it should be being mid-engined and offering the lightest curb weight by over 400 pounds in this group. The acceleration numbers even with the PDK transmission are incredibly slow compared to numbers others have hit. 13.3@106 in the 1/4 mile? Something sounds really off. Regardless, they call the Boxster driving bliss and that is why it wins although it is incredibly surprising the RS5 beat it around the roadcourse.

      Full results and video below. Oh, and Automobile titling this comparison as a $64,000 comparison makes little sense when one actually looks like the as tested prices. Especially with the Boxster over $90k.

      Video will not embed, link here: http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...Hw1ucwjrFgkZ9J

      Lap Times
      Grattan Raceway
      | 2.2 miles

      Audi RS5 1:28.48
      Porsche Boxster S 1:29.10
      BMW M3 1:30.05
      Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG 1:30.06




      2013 Audi RS5

      BASE PRICE: $69,795
      PRICE AS TESTED: $77,320

      POWERTRAIN
      ENGINE:
      32-valve DOHC V-8
      DISPLACEMENT: 4.2 liters (254 cu in)
      POWER: 450 hp @ 8250 rpm
      TORQUE: 317 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
      TRANSMISSION: 7-speed automatic
      DRIVE: 4-wheel

      CHASSIS
      STEERING:
      Electrically assisted
      FRONT SUSPENSION: Multilink, coil springs
      REAR SUSPENSION: Multilink, coil springs
      BRAKES: Vented discs, ABS
      TIRES: Pirelli PZero
      TIRE SIZE: 275/30YR-20

      MEASUREMENTS
      L x W x H:
      183.0 x 73.2 x 53.8 in
      WHEELBASE: 108.3 in
      TRACK F/R: 62.4/62.3 in
      WEIGHT: 4037 lb
      WEIGHT DIST. F/R: 57.8/42.2%
      EPA MILEAGE: 16/23 mpg

      TEST RESULTS
      0-60 MPH:
      4.6 sec
      0-100 MPH: 10.8 sec
      1/4-MILE: 13.0 sec @ 110 mph
      30-70 MPH PASSING: 4.5 sec
      PEAK ACCELERATION: 0.85 g
      SPEED IN GEARS: 1) 42; 2) 68; 3) 98; 4) 130; 5) 167; 6) 174; 7) --- mph
      CORNERING L/R: 0.97/0.95 g
      70-0 MPH BRAKING: 152 ft
      PEAK BRAKING: 1.15 g



      2012 BMW M3 coupe

      BASE PRICE: $62,295
      PRICE AS TESTED: $69,595

      POWERTRAIN
      ENGINE:
      32-valve DOHC V-8
      DISPLACEMENT: 4.0 liters (244 cu in)
      POWER: 414 hp @ 8300 rpm
      TORQUE: 295 lb-ft @ 3900 rpm
      TRANSMISSION: 7-speed automatic
      DRIVE: Rear-wheel

      CHASSIS
      STEERING:
      Electrohydraulically assisted
      FRONT SUSPENSION: Strut-type, coil springs
      REAR SUSPENSION: Multilink, coil springs
      BRAKES: Vented discs, ABS
      TIRES: Michelin Pilot Sport
      TIRE SIZE F, R: 245/35YR-19, 265/35YR-19

      MEASUREMENTS
      L x W x H:
      181.8 x 71.0 x 55.8 in
      WHEELBASE: 108.7 in
      TRACK F/R: 60.6/60.6 in
      WEIGHT: 3576 lb
      WEIGHT DIST. F/R: 51.2/48.8%
      EPA MILEAGE: 14/20 mpg

      TEST RESULTS
      0-60 MPH:
      4.6 sec
      0-100 MPH: 10.6 sec
      1/4-MILE: 13.0 sec @ 111 mph
      30-70 MPH PASSING: 4.0 sec
      PEAK ACCELERATION: 0.73 g
      SPEED IN GEARS: 1) 44; 2) 71; 3) 97; 4) 124; 5) 150; 6) 155; 7) --- mph
      CORNERING L/R: 1.00/0.99 g
      70-0 MPH BRAKING: 141 ft
      PEAK BRAKING: 1.16 g



      2013 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG coupe

      BASE PRICE: $64,935
      PRICE AS TESTED: $83,845

      POWERTRAIN
      ENGINE:
      32-valve DOHC V-8
      DISPLACEMENT: 6.2 liters (379 cu in)
      POWER: 481 hp @ 6500 rpm
      TORQUE: 443 lb-ft @ 5000 rpm
      TRANSMISSION: 7-speed automatic
      DRIVE: Rear-wheel

      CHASSIS
      STEERING:
      Hydraulically assisted
      FRONT SUSPENSION: Strut-type, coil springs
      REAR SUSPENSION: Multilink, coil springs
      BRAKES: Vented discs, ABS
      TIRES: Continental ContiSportContact
      TIRE SIZE F, R: 235/40YR-18, 255/35YR-18

      MEASUREMENTS
      L x W x H:
      185.3 x 69.7 x 54.6 in
      WHEELBASE: 108.9 in
      TRACK F/R: 62.4/61.5 in
      WEIGHT: 3804 lb
      WEIGHT DIST. F/R: 53.8/46.2%
      EPA MILEAGE: 13/19 mpg

      TEST RESULTS
      0-60 MPH:
      4.4 sec
      0-100 MPH: 10.0 sec
      1/4-MILE: 12.3 sec @ 117 mph
      30-70 MPH PASSING: 4.4 sec
      PEAK ACCELERATION: 0.71 g
      SPEED IN GEARS: 1) 41; 2) 63; 3) 94; 4) 131; 5) 174; 6) ---; 7) --- mph
      CORNERING L/R: 0.94/0.94 g
      70-0 MPH BRAKING: 165 ft
      PEAK BRAKING: 1.04 g



      2013 Porsche Boxster S

      BASE PRICE: $61,850
      PRICE AS TESTED: $90,535

      POWERTRAIN
      ENGINE:
      24-valve DOHC flat-6
      DISPLACEMENT: 3.4 liters (210 cu in)
      POWER: 315 hp @ 6700 rpm
      TORQUE: 266 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
      TRANSMISSION: 7-speed automatic
      DRIVE: Rear-wheel

      CHASSIS
      STEERING:
      Electrically assisted
      FRONT SUSPENSION: Strut-type, coil springs
      REAR SUSPENSION: Strut-type, coil springs
      BRAKES: Vented discs, ABS
      TIRES: Pirelli PZero
      TIRE SIZE F, R: 235/35YR-20, 265/35YR-20

      MEASUREMENTS
      L x W x H:
      172.2 x 70.9 x 50.0 in
      WHEELBASE: 97.4 in
      TRACK F/R: 60.1/60.6 in
      WEIGHT: 3133 lb
      WEIGHT DIST. F/R: 44.6/55.4%
      EPA MILEAGE: 21/30 mpg

      TEST RESULTS
      0-60 MPH:
      4.8 sec
      0-100 MPH: 11.9 sec
      1/4-MILE: 13.3 sec @ 106 mph
      30-70 MPH PASSING: 4.5 sec
      PEAK ACCELERATION: 0.78 g
      SPEED IN GEARS: 1) 42; 2) 71; 3) 99; 4) 125; 5) 151; 6) 172; 7) --- mph
      CORNERING L/R: 1.02/1.01 g
      70-0 MPH BRAKING: 137 ft
      PEAK BRAKING: 1.20 g



      This article was originally published in forum thread: New Boxster S vs RS5 vs M3 vs C63 started by Sorena View original post
      Comments 46 Comments
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        the mechanics of the too transmission are obviously different, but the transmission either shifts automatically or not, a tiptronic with paddles is operated EXACTLY the same as a dct with paddles. how the $#@! can you say that a dct is closer to a manual with 3 pedals than it is to a tiptronic with paddles??
        Um because mechanically it is a manual based transmission just that it has two clutches. It has way more in common with a manual transmission than an automatic transmission.

        Just because an automatic may have paddles and a DCT may have paddles does not make them the same thing. A DCT also can shift manually undermining your whole point of literal interpretation of a word.
      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE -
        so can a cvt with paddles or a tq converter with paddles, some of them wont even upshift for you!!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        so can a cvt with paddles or a tq converter with paddles, some of them wont even upshift for you!!
        So does that make them manuals? Of course not. Regardless, a dual clutch is a dual clutch not an automatic.
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Driven 3 of the 4 cars, had a E90 M3.

        Most recent test drive of the RS5 was a couple weeks ago. Honestly, I really like the RS5. If the cars where somewhat equally optioned/priced, I would choose the RS5. It just felt like a special car. Also felt very well built, had a over-engineered quality to it.

        Looking forward to the new Cayman.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Not this automatic dct manual $#@! again..
      1. xbox_fan's Avatar
        xbox_fan -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        Not this automatic dct manual $#@! again..
        You are right but its such a fun discusion, anyways if a car only has two pedals its a womans ride Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by xbox_fan Click here to enlarge
        You are right but its such a fun discusion, anyways if a car only has two pedals its a womans ride Click here to enlarge
        The Enzo is a popular shopping accessory.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The Enzo is a popular shopping accessory.
        Attachment 22532
      1. mkodama's Avatar
        mkodama -
        I think the car comparison is boring compared to the transmission terminology debate, lol.

        Why don't people like the term "semi-automated" and why does it have have to always been black or white, and not grey?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mkodama Click here to enlarge
        Why don't people like the term "semi-automated" and why does it have have to always been black or white, and not grey?
        Because most people are stupid and can't handle it when things aren't one or the other. Oh no, a third thing? Confused.
      1. leo985i's Avatar
        leo985i -
        2 pedal trans with torque converter = auto
        2 pedal trans with automatically controlled clutches = semi-auto
        3 pedal trans with manually operated clutch by the user = MANual

        Why is this subject always so complicated? Lets not talk about this more please. Some people will never accept their automatically operated trans be called an auto due to whatever reasons, mainly pride.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
        Some people will never accept their automatically operated trans be called an auto due to whatever reasons, mainly pride.
        Or because it isn't an auto. Some people just don't accept incorrect terms applied because it is easier for others to comprehend it that way.
      1. leo985i's Avatar
        leo985i -
        Click here to enlarge
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        I own an E92 M3, and its equipped with an automatic transmission
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        I own an E92 M3, and its equipped with an automatic transmission
        It's irrelevant whether you own one or not. It's equipped with a dual clutch transmission.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        yes, its dual clutch, but it shift automatically, hence its automatic. there is no requirement for it to be manually shifted.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        yes, its dual clutch, but it shift automatically, hence its automatic. there is no requirement for it to be manually shifted.
        Oh but there is a requirement to shift it automatically?

        You don't get it, just like other people don't get it, that the term in automotive use denotes a certain type of gearbox. We're talking about transmissions not literal interpretations of words.

        Secondly, the dual clutch has more technically in common with a manual than an automatic.

        Some people are just plain stupid.
      1. TZ04XJR's Avatar
        TZ04XJR -
        Some good humor in regards to Porsche's extensive options list..

        FF to 14:30

        The 918 Hybrid options are ridiculous! Click here to enlarge

      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TZ04XJR Click here to enlarge
        Some good humor in regards to Porsche's extensive options list..

        FF to 14:30

        The 918 Hybrid options are ridiculous! Click here to enlarge

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUk1iSCQYso&feature=plcp
        I just don't really like these guys.
      1. Eryk03's Avatar
        Eryk03 -
        M3 is the worst but is such an overrated car.