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    • ICS Performance E36 M3 with built S52 twin turbo six-cylinder hits an astounding 1142 horsepower to the wheels

      Wow, simply wow. Congratulations to ICS Performance for raising the bar considerably in the M50/S50 engine game. ICS was able to hit 1142 horsepower to the wheels and 1042 pound-feet of wheel torque on a dynojet in SAE correction. This is with a twin turbo forged internal built motor low compression setup running twin GT3076r turbos and custom camshafts. The car was tuned by Vic Sias of Sias Tuning.

      This is the same car that set the BMW standing mile record running 223 miles per hour although likely with less power than it now has. Additionally, ICS plans to change out the turbos for larger twin GT35r units. Who knows how far they can take it but this is a wonderful achievement and congratulations to ICS Performance and Vic Sias.




      This article was originally published in forum thread: ICS Performance E36 M3 with built S52 twin turbo six-cylinder hits an astounding 1142 horsepower to the wheels started by Sticky View original post
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      1. NYAWE60's Avatar
        NYAWE60 -
        Good gracious thats impressive!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Daily Three Click here to enlarge
        Yep they are right around the corner from me.. I thought they already hit this? Maybe it was 1050 whp.. same car though. they have other high hp e36 m3s and a 700+whp z3m (770wp iirc).
        It was less, yes. This is new.
      1. mm28's Avatar
        mm28 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Two of them.
        just orderd an R32 V6 engine and the single turbo kit(GT35) from HPA for my little golf, i will be very happy if i can even get half that power to the wheels
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mm28 Click here to enlarge
        just orderd an R32 V6 engine and the single turbo kit(GT35) from HPA for my little golf, i will be very happy if i can even get half that power to the wheels
        That is F'ing awesome. You are doing a VR6 with a turbo in your golf? FWD?
      1. mm28's Avatar
        mm28 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        That is F'ing awesome. You are doing a VR6 with a turbo in your golf? FWD?
        4WD conversion and DSG upgrade is also included in the build, parts will arrive in 8 weeksClick here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mm28 Click here to enlarge
        4WD conversion and DSG upgrade is also included in the build, parts will arrive in 8 weeksClick here to enlarge
        Who's doing the work? What generation golf?

        Can we get a build thread going for this?
      1. mm28's Avatar
        mm28 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Who's doing the work? What generation golf?

        Can we get a build thread going for this?
        i am located in Beijing, so is not a shop anyone in this forum would know.
        is a MK6, i can get a build thread started once the parts are here.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mm28 Click here to enlarge
        i am located in Beijing, so is not a shop anyone in this forum would know.
        is a MK6, i can get a build thread started once the parts are here.
        Please do, sounds badass.

        I always wonder about the difficult of retrofitting all wheel drive but seems a lot of people are doing it now.
      1. mm28's Avatar
        mm28 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Please do, sounds badass.

        I always wonder about the difficult of retrofitting all wheel drive but seems a lot of people are doing it now.
        its been done before, but i am just a guy who provides the $$ so not sure about the details.
        I know i would no longer have the spare tire compartment...but not much else
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mm28 Click here to enlarge
        its been done before, but i am just a guy who provides the $$ so not sure about the details.
        I know i would no longer have the spare tire compartment...but not much else
        Well I'm pretty excited about this. When the parts come please try to detail as much as you can.

        You are located in China?
      1. mm28's Avatar
        mm28 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Well I'm pretty excited about this. When the parts come please try to detail as much as you can.

        You are located in China?
        yes, i am in China.
        you got it, i am very excited alsoClick here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mm28 Click here to enlarge
        yes, i am in China.
        you got it, i am very excited alsoClick here to enlarge
        Well your English is good.
      1. mm28's Avatar
        mm28 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Well your English is good.
        used to live in California 8 years ago, was one of the first supercharged E46 M3 back then, thats why i am interested in boosted BMW and joined this forum.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mm28 Click here to enlarge
        used to live in California 8 years ago, was one of the first supercharged E46 M3 back then, thats why i am interested in boosted BMW and joined this forum.
        Nice. Well now we can cater to your boosted VW as well.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        That tq is ridiculous. Try to top that 2JZ lol
      1. rt turbo's Avatar
        rt turbo -
        Someone on another forum quoted 1300rwhp was achieved, but never posted back about it, so not sure about that. But, I think if the block holds up we will see that from ics. I dont think they have any block modification, but I have to think that much over the 1100 figure in this thread would require a girdle at least.

        ICS's combo of turbos/tune/engine build has resulted in these amazing torque figures, and in part due to characteristics unique to the m50/m52/s50/s52 engines. I dont think we will ever see near this hp/tq ratio from an S54 or 2jz.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rt turbo Click here to enlarge
        Someone on another forum quoted 1300rwhp was achieved, but never posted back about it, so not sure about that. But, I think if the block holds up we will see that from ics. I dont think they have any block modification, but I have to think that much over the 1100 figure in this thread would require a girdle at least.

        ICS's combo of turbos/tune/engine build has resulted in these amazing torque figures, and in part due to characteristics unique to the m50/m52/s50/s52 engines. I dont think we will ever see near this hp/tq ratio from an S54 or 2jz.
        It's a strong iron block but 1300 wheel has to be reaching the limit of it I would think especially with no other modifications to it?

        Why not from an S54?
      1. rt turbo's Avatar
        rt turbo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It's a strong iron block but 1300 wheel has to be reaching the limit of it I would think especially with no other modifications to it?

        Why not from an S54?
        I have heard experts say they they see signs of these blocks twisting or getting out of shape at under 1k hp levels. They can hold up but I'm not so sure at least some of the failures are caused by the block getting out of shape at the higher levels. The girdle supposedly fixes that to a certain point.

        With the s54, I was refering to ratio of hp to tq. They are making hp by reving higher, which will have lower tq figures when compared to a motor making the same hp with lower revs. We have seen time and time again that the s54 is just not going to produce the hp/tq ratios we see from the m50/m52/s50/s52. When HPF produces an 1150whp dyno, I would put money on it that it is accompanied by a torque curve nowhere in comparison to this ICS graph.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rt turbo Click here to enlarge
        I have heard experts say they they see signs of these blocks twisting or getting out of shape at under 1k hp levels. They can hold up but I'm not so sure at least some of the failures are caused by the block getting out of shape at the higher levels. The girdle supposedly fixes that to a certain point.

        With the s54, I was refering to ratio of hp to tq. They are making hp by reving higher, which will have lower tq figures when compared to a motor making the same hp with lower revs. We have seen time and time again that the s54 is just not going to produce the hp/tq ratios we see from the m50/m52/s50/s52. When HPF produces an 1150whp dyno, I would put money on it that it is accompanied by a torque curve nowhere in comparison to this ICS graph.
        Why would revving higher make for lower torque figures? It should just make for more torque multiplication.

        What can be done to the block to make it handle this level of power? Sleeves?
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rt turbo Click here to enlarge
        I have heard experts say they they see signs of these blocks twisting or getting out of shape at under 1k hp levels. They can hold up but I'm not so sure at least some of the failures are caused by the block getting out of shape at the higher levels. The girdle supposedly fixes that to a certain point.

        With the s54, I was refering to ratio of hp to tq. They are making hp by reving higher, which will have lower tq figures when compared to a motor making the same hp with lower revs. We have seen time and time again that the s54 is just not going to produce the hp/tq ratios we see from the m50/m52/s50/s52. When HPF produces an 1150whp dyno, I would put money on it that it is accompanied by a torque curve nowhere in comparison to this ICS graph.
        I have two points here - the torque curve is astounding in that it creates an AMAZING amount of torque for a long time, but it's very unnatural. In other words, the idea is that a torque curve is flat - no one is shooting for this type of power curve unless it's for a glory pull in my opinion.

        The second would be - compare the area under either curve with the highest of HPFs. It's not about peak torque, it's about total area under the curve. The S54 revs about 1k higher than this dyno shows, for every single RPM the S54 revs over the other engine matters a LOT. HP = ((TQ x RPM )/ 5252) - meaning that 1000 RPM difference makes a HUGE amount of difference (torque and RPM are equal in their contribution to HP) - and as @Sticky said, this extra RPM can be used for further TQ multiplication.