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    • World Motorsports creating a twin turbo kit for Mercedes 63 AMG Motors (M156/M159) - Prototype SLS AMG Twin Turbo Kit

      This is a rather interesting development in the Mercedes-Benz AMG performance scene. Truth is, World Motorsports is a newer name and one not seen on BenzBoost before. A Mercedes SLS AMG Twin Turbo kit certainly is quite a way to make an entrance. They already seem to have the turbos mounted but hardware is only one part of puzzle. What about the tuning? What about the impact of the torque on the SLS dual clutch transmission? These are just some of the problems posed.

      World Motorsports is located in Torrance, California and Benzboost was invited out to see what they are up to. A very generous offer as most companies won't allow anyone to visit when they are preparing for a show (SEMA) and wrapping up very difficult work. Apparently they are going to try to make it to SEMA in Las Vegas which is less than three weeks away. Not a long window but it would be impressive if they were to make it.

      Plumbing is said to be 80% complete at this point and the car should be hitting the dyno soon. BenzBoost will hopefully be able to provide more info shortly after stopping by the shop. For now, enjoy the development pictures below.













      This article was originally published in forum thread: World Motorsports claiming to build a twin turbo M156/M159 motor? SLS prototype twin turbo kit started by Sticky View original post
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      1. ecampbell's Avatar
        ecampbell -
        Again, I offered a reason why perhaps Craig did not give you the warm and fuzzy welcome and rather than say perhaps that may have been a better course, you defend what you do as you do no wrong (in fact I don't recall you ever saying you were wrong on any topic).

        My parting words on this is that perhaps if you actually spoke to people you might find your website might improve (not to mention your social skills). No retort is needed by you and lets see if you can let someone else have the last word.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        Again, I offered a reason why perhaps Craig did not give you the warm and fuzzy welcome and rather than say perhaps that may have been a better course, you defend what you do as you do no wrong (in fact I don't recall you ever saying you were wrong on any topic).
        I can only defend my actions, I can not speak for Craig. Your suggestion is plausible. Should I not defend my actions when you repeatedly question them? Even if perhaps you may be making a mountain out of a mole hill?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        My parting words on this is that perhaps if you actually spoke to people you might find your website might improve (not to mention your social skills). No retort is needed by you and lets see if you can let someone else have the last word.
        I think perhaps you might have been too quick to point the finger and create issues quite simply out of nowhere. The F1 and Nascar thing really having no relevance and just seemed a bit petty. As I recall, any time you ever needed or requested anything of me I always went above and beyond. I don't see any other forum administrators traveling to detail your automotive excursions or signing documents you request on unrelated business matters as a courtesy.

        I appreciate your comments on social skills and regarding the last word, but this isn't your website, it's mine. It's a bit rude to dictate to me in my domain, literally and figuratively. I would not be so presumptuous to suggest what you should do when you are in your place of business and add a negative connotation to it on top, but, my social skills have always shown you respect. Perhaps it was undeserved.
      1. ecampbell's Avatar
        ecampbell -
        I paid the hotel room for you and your friend in Vegas. Jim and I split the cost of the booze you drank at the Cabana and this is now what you say?

        My point was simply that contrary to what you think, you are not always right. You took a jab at me being older so I took one at you regarding social skills. Obviously you can dish it out but cant take it.

        Im out of here and negative rep me into the wastelands as I won't be back.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        I paid the hotel room for you and your friend in Vegas. Jim and I split the cost of the booze you drank at the Cabana and this is now what you say?
        I thanked you profusely for your generosity but once again I made the trip out and believe I signed and faxed documents at your request to help you out ultimately. That was also before any trip to Vegas was discussed I believe. I assure you if cost of booze is to be used against me I would rather pay my own bill. I was there FOR YOU and treated everyone with the utmost respect and courtesy.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        My point was simply that contrary to what you think, you are not always right. You took a jab at me being older so I took one at you regarding social skills. Obviously you can dish it out but cant take it.
        It's not a jab at your age by any means. I mean some people prefer communication over voice and some prefer it over text. I notice more and more that younger people prefer text. I work in a text environment, I prefer text, that's all. It's not an insult as I said likely a matter of perspective. If you took it as an insult I apologize, not my intention.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        Im out of here and negative rep me into the wastelands as I won't be back.
        Earl do whatever you feel, for some reason you have become difficult to deal with lately and have been instigating fights. I wish you the best.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        I gotta agree with Dodger on this one, I sooner with Craig a few weeks ago on the phone. He was very forthcoming with information and invited me down to the shop and offered a ride in the Also. He answered every question I asked him. I can smell bull$#@! from miles away and I didn't smell any bull$#@! when talking with Craig.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        I gotta agree with Dodger on this one, I sooner with Craig a few weeks ago on the phone. He was very forthcoming with information and invited me down to the shop and offered a ride in the Also. He answered every question I asked him. I can smell bull$#@! from miles away and I didn't smell any bull$#@! when talking with Craig.
        There's no BS here at all, this is taking place and being tuned by an excellent tuner. The hardware assembly appears to be top notch. No BS I can detect, all honest and true.
      1. ecampbell's Avatar
        ecampbell -
        The problem Joe is that you can do no wrong. When someone Dodger or myself provides an alternative course you could have taken you immediately get defensive and say no, they should go through my website.

        When I said you should have given credit to redbull on the nascar/f1 graphic you said no, I don't have to because it is a info graphic or whatever you call it.

        I know you don't believe this but when you come across saying you are always right, people start to lay for you.

        You want to repay for the hotel/booze to make everything right, please donate $200 to Red Cross and the Sandy relief effort in my name and post the receipt. I am sure Jim will tell you which charity he would like the donation to be in his name.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        The problem Joe is that you can do no wrong. When someone Dodger or myself provides an alternative course you could have taken you immediately get defensive and say no, they should go through my website.
        He doesn't have to do anything. I prefer going through my website and using text, as I stated. When you constantly question me what do you expect me to do? I explained myself.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        When I said you should have given credit to redbull on the nascar/f1 graphic you said no, I don't have to because it is a info graphic or whatever you call it.
        Earl, we have a whole thread on infographics and they are treated as images because that is exactly what they are: http://www.germanboost.com/showthrea...r-useless-info

        I explained to you the data in the image was not mine and where it was from. It was not a post article requiring citation, just a regular thread with a picture. It's a completely irrelevant point to any of this you seem to really be reaching for things to criticize. I don't understand the negativity or hostility.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        I know you don't believe this but when you come across saying you are always right, people start to lay for you.
        At no point do I claim I am always right. If you get the impression from the enthusiasm with which I defend myself, then I will simply take pride in that. I defended my actions which as of late you seem to constantly have a problem with and question negatively.

        This is all rather simple. I'm not going to bother this guy during the holidays, ok? I'm not going to call him. If he wants, he can post here and say hey I'm free at so and so time on so and so day. If not, then I will simply go to the meet AS ALREADY PLANNED and as he already stated. That was arranged through a website, through text, no phone call even being necessary. I call that progress.

        So what problem are you having again other than some personal issue with me? And this all stemming from what, updating a thread with supplemental and relevant information only for you to take it OT attacking me? Why?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        You want to repay for the hotel/booze to make everything right, please donate $200 to Red Cross and the Sandy relief effort in my name and post the receipt. I am sure Jim will tell you which charity he would like the donation to be in his name.
        Repay me for my gas, time, and articles and I'll get right on that. Let's not be absurd this whole thing is rather ridiculous. I ask that you kindly relax, there is no issue, there is no problem.
      1. ecampbell's Avatar
        ecampbell -
        Your the one who offered to pay so nothing is held over you - I made no such claim.

        Your like my 10 year old nephew, always an excuse why your right.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        Your the one who offered to pay so nothing is held over you - I made no such claim.

        Your like my 10 year old nephew, always an excuse why your right.
        Sounds like you have a bright nephew. Does he find himself constantly defending himself? Do you criticize him for no reason?

        Do you buy him toys then take them away later?

        Is any of this really necessary or contributing to the topic in any positive manner?
      1. Dodger63's Avatar
        Dodger63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Sounds like you have a bright nephew. Does he find himself constantly defending himself? Do you criticize him for no reason?

        Do you buy him toys then take them away later?

        Is any of this really necessary or contributing to the topic in any positive manner?
        Is that what happen to you as a child, and the reason you act like the worlds biggest douche
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Looks and sounds like an awesome kit... Looking forward to seeing some dyno and acceleration testing as well. Seems folks jumped the gun just a bit vs going to the source here. Sticky posted a article and I can understand why the shop might think the title was misleading. Though I dont think it was malicious on Sticky's part but I would have worded it differently. Bigger still it appears the shop extended and open invite to come by anytime. To me that says drop on by, in my experience dropping by a shop is always welcome. They want the walk in and phone traffic along with the internet traffic. But nothing is better than walking in and seeing the info first hand in person. Its unfortunate that such a cool project gets derailed over BS and assumptions. Seems that answers are available to anyone who wants to visit the shop. Either way love the project
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        Is that what happen to you as a child, and the reason you act like the worlds biggest douche
        That's right, someone came and gave me toys then took them away. Then their friend came over and called me a douche, of course, making me the douche. Well said Dodger, you have a way with words and are a class act.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Though I dont think it was malicious on Sticky's part but I would have worded it differently.
        Of course it wasn't malicious and I worded it in a manner that showed respect to a difficult project. I also stated anything that needed to be cleared up could be with me visiting the shop. I think that's plenty of courtesy on my part. Especially considering some of the responses from said shop owner.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        To me that says drop on by, in my experience dropping by a shop is always welcome.
        I see what you're saying but realistically you don't just come whenever you feel like to a shop. They may be doing something time consuming that particular day. I don't expect anyone to drop everything for me of all people. I'm more than capable of coming at an agreed upon time. It's not a big deal, very simple.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Its unfortunate that such a cool project gets derailed over BS and assumptions. Seems that answers are available to anyone who wants to visit the shop. Either way love the project
        What BS and what assumptions? I'm not sure if you read the thread, details are pretty clear and supplemental information was posted. This little additional pointless diatribe by two members taking a thread OT with nothing at all to contribute to the topic rather than vitriol speaks rather poorly of them. Unfortunate they don't see their own actions.
      1. ecampbell's Avatar
        ecampbell -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Sounds like you have a bright nephew. Does he find himself constantly defending himself? Do you criticize him for no reason?

        Do you buy him toys then take them away later?

        Is any of this really necessary or contributing to the topic in any positive manner?
        He is very bright. I teach him that we are not always perfect and that sometimes even though he dose not want to admit it that he can be wrong. He seems to grasp this concept so perhaps I was wrong and you are not like him.

        This is contributing to the topic in the same manner as the thread it was started - though the forum when perhaps it should have been taken offline resolved directly. I am abiding by how you said you like to communicate to people.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        He is very bright. I teach him that we are not always perfect and that sometimes even though he dose not want to admit it that he can be wrong. He seems to grasp this concept so perhaps I was wrong and you are not like him.
        Oh so you are under the impression I believe I'm perfect because I have yet to apologize, for what? For not doing what you command me to do? For not doing things the way you would prefer them done? For desiring to use my message-board for communication? For you insulting my baselessly? For me what, offering to go down to a shop to get further info on a project at any time the shop desires which is a benefit to them considering it's a new shop with a new and interesting project? Wow, how rude and terrible of me.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        This is contributing to the topic in the same manner as the thread it was started - though the forum when perhaps it should have been taken offline resolved directly. I am abiding by how you said you like to communicate to people.
        Excellent, feel free to continue to drown the thread with your vitriol if you wish. On the other hand, you may have noticed, my update to the thread was on the topic of the tuning for the M159 twin turbo kit. Your posts are simply personal attacks offering little value to said topic. Maybe your nephew needs to explain the difference to you?
      1. ecampbell's Avatar
        ecampbell -
        I am not under the impression you are perfect, you are.

        I just respond to your comments and as you can not let someone have the last word, this discussion will continue and my attacks are not personal Click here to enlarge
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Of course it wasn't malicious and I worded it in a manner that showed respect to a difficult project. I also stated anything that needed to be cleared up could be with me visiting the shop. I think that's plenty of courtesy on my part. Especially considering some of the responses from said shop owner.



        I see what you're saying but realistically you don't just come whenever you feel like to a shop. They may be doing something time consuming that particular day. I don't expect anyone to drop everything for me of all people. I'm more than capable of coming at an agreed upon time. It's not a big deal, very simple.



        What BS and what assumptions? I'm not sure if you read the thread, details are pretty clear and supplemental information was posted. This little additional pointless diatribe by two members taking a thread OT with nothing at all to contribute to the topic rather than vitriol speaks rather poorly of them. Unfortunate they don't see their own actions.
        As I said I dont think the title was meant in a nasty or evil way... It could have been worded differently I can could how a shop would take it the wrong way. But I would disagree on dropping in on a shop, thats why they are there. I have yet to encounter a shop that said I need to make an appointment to see their work & products most jump at a chance to showoff their work. That he specifically said anytime Monday thru Friday from 9am to 5pm says volumes. If you show up as a customer, journalist or in other aspect they would gladly speak with you or any other person for that matter. Thats just good business so in arguing you may show when they are busy to me doesnt hold water. I would drop by and I suspect you would be met enthusiastically.

        I dropped by ECS when I wanted to get a blower for the Vette. They took an hour explaining the kit, showing me 7 or 8 cars so equipped and then took me on a thrill ride in 3 cars making 500-900whp to prove the point of the product. Again in my experience dropping in is never an issue worst case scenario is what a few minutes for them to free themselves up. I drop by ACM rather frequently as do others and they always have time to talk over projects and installs happening. The anytime invite for me speaks volumes...

        In terms of BS or assumptions I was referring to the bickering around visiting, who's tuning the car, who's using an alias and so on. All that $#@! is worthless to the primary interest and thats a TT SLS which has all my interest and then some. Thats gotta be one bad ass car, I for one have dreamed of a TT SLS I had hoped the Black Series might go there though I knew it wouldnt be likely.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        I am not under the impression you are perfect, you are.

        I just respond to your comments and as you can not let someone have the last word, this discussion will continue and my attacks are not personal Click here to enlarge
        Well, sorry, but I need to correct you again. Not that I'm perfect, I just happen to be correct in this instance. Sometimes it's a repeat pattern, I know.

        My statement was, "You are under the impression I believe I'm perfect." Your response to this was, "I am not under the impression you are perfect, you are." That's exactly the same thing.

        Secondly, I'm under the impression I stand my ground and defend my actions as well as thought process. Namely from personal attacks or when someone is basically pissing on my site, which is what you are doing for some reason. Perhaps you prefer discussions with people who simply accept what you say or blindly roll over but if you question me it is not remotely out of line for me to respond. I like that my responses were so poignant you took them to the degree of me considering myself perfect. Seems they were quite well formed in that case.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        It could have been worded differently I can could how a shop would take it the wrong way
        Explain.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        I have yet to encounter a shop that said I need to make an appointment to see their work & products most jump at a chance to showoff their work.
        To be honest, I have stopped by many shops/tuners in this area. When it was unannounced, they were almost always busy. Recently I was at Weistec and it took us a little while to pick a day when they had time. Completely understandable.

        I could easily drive over there and say hey let's do an interview and let me snap photos of your build. This would literally take a couple hours. You really think it makes sense to go over to a shop and take two hours of their time when I decide to? That's disrespectful.

        There is a difference between stopping by to say hello and delving deeply into a project. I'm not a customer in this instance, I'm a reporter. Big difference.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        In terms of BS or assumptions I was referring to the bickering around visiting, who's tuning the car, who's using an alias and so on.
        The bickering right now is simply pointless personal jostling. It serves no purpose but I don't mind. The tuning was cleared up. So now I guess we will have 10 more pages of bickering with 1 or 2 good nuggets of tech info thrown in. As seems to be customary in the Mercedes world lol.