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    • World Motorsports creating a twin turbo kit for Mercedes 63 AMG Motors (M156/M159) - Prototype SLS AMG Twin Turbo Kit

      This is a rather interesting development in the Mercedes-Benz AMG performance scene. Truth is, World Motorsports is a newer name and one not seen on BenzBoost before. A Mercedes SLS AMG Twin Turbo kit certainly is quite a way to make an entrance. They already seem to have the turbos mounted but hardware is only one part of puzzle. What about the tuning? What about the impact of the torque on the SLS dual clutch transmission? These are just some of the problems posed.

      World Motorsports is located in Torrance, California and Benzboost was invited out to see what they are up to. A very generous offer as most companies won't allow anyone to visit when they are preparing for a show (SEMA) and wrapping up very difficult work. Apparently they are going to try to make it to SEMA in Las Vegas which is less than three weeks away. Not a long window but it would be impressive if they were to make it.

      Plumbing is said to be 80% complete at this point and the car should be hitting the dyno soon. BenzBoost will hopefully be able to provide more info shortly after stopping by the shop. For now, enjoy the development pictures below.














      This article was originally published in forum thread: World Motorsports claiming to build a twin turbo M156/M159 motor? SLS prototype twin turbo kit started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Not sure when being questioned about the tuning Craig didn't just say Weistec and that would have been the end of it.
        I think with people knowing Weistec is involved in the tuning it gives much more confidence in the project.
      1. Fast Lane's Avatar
        Fast Lane -
        I Told you So!Click here to enlarge
      1. Dodger63's Avatar
        Dodger63 -
        you guys should just stick ton asking craig the questions, back dooring answers get you misinformation..
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        you guys should just stick ton asking craig the questions, back dooring answers get you misinformation..
        What misinformation? It's their own plaque from SEMA with their own info on it. How else do you interpret it? It isn't back dooring anything it is just confirming who is involved with the tuning and providing some supplemental info.
      1. Dodger63's Avatar
        Dodger63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        What misinformation? It's their own plaque from SEMA with their own info on it. How else do you interpret it? It isn't back dooring anything it is just confirming who is involved with the tuning and providing some supplemental info.

        all I'm saying is you should go talk directly to Craig like you had said, I'm not saying you got any just that is the way it's happens
      1. ecampbell's Avatar
        ecampbell -
        Dodger +1

        this thread should have never been so many pages of garbage.

        If I were an investigative reporter I would have asked the question...who is tuning.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        all I'm saying is you should go talk directly to Craig like you had said, I'm not saying you got any just that is the way it's happens
        I will gladly I don't see how putting up information that was already released by them is misinformation. If anything, it helped clear up any speculation.

        As soon as Craig has time or as his open house I'll talk to him.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        all I'm saying is you should go talk directly to Craig like you had said, I'm not saying you got any just that is the way it's happens
        Craig had the opportunity to discuss the project here and instead of clearing the air and providing us with details he insulted the membership. Yet over on MBWorld he is kissing ass to promote his product. Not the best marketing strategy if you as me.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Craig had the opportunity to discuss the project here and instead of clearing the air and providing us with details he insulted the membership. Yet over on MBWorld he is kissing ass to promote his product. Not the best marketing strategy if you as me.
        I'm sure he's a nice guy I can't really explain why he insulted people here but I'm sure we can move past it.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        If I were an investigative reporter I would have asked the question...who is tuning.
        That question was asked on page 1. He was free to provide an answer at any time.
      1. Dodger63's Avatar
        Dodger63 -
        Sticky you said you were going to go to his shop and do a report? I was expecting something along the lines of what you did with wiestec? Have u gone to the shop
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        Sticky you said you were going to go to his shop and do a report? I was expecting something along the lines of what you did with wiestec? Have u gone to the shop
        I'm expecting the same thing. I was hoping Craig would post when he is free but I'll call and set something up. I have two meetings with vendors next week so I'm pretty busy right now.

        I haven't gone to the shop or you would see a writeup. It's just a matter of time, I stated I would attend the January event.
      1. ecampbell's Avatar
        ecampbell -
        Joe,

        Perhaps I am missing something. You said you have a ton of questions but I don't see where you called to make plans.

        Call me old school but sometimes it is better to pick up the phone and make plans rather than trying to make plans via a public website.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        Joe,

        Perhaps I am missing something. You said you have a ton of questions but I don't see where you called to make plans.

        Call me old school but sometimes it is better to pick up the phone and make plans rather than trying to make plans via a public website.
        Well I'm rather new school and prefer to go through my forum. I have been waiting for a time for Craig to say he is free. In this thread we sort of made plans: http://www.germanboost.com/showthrea...CA-January-6th

        I don't know if he has time before that and considering it's the holidays I don't want to bug him.
      1. ecampbell's Avatar
        ecampbell -
        You win and this is my last post on the subject.

        What is funny is you have never admitted being wrong or admitted there may have been a better way to handle something in the 1.5 years I visited the forum. As an example, you heavily chastised another forum when they didn't credit you for something (I think it was the SLS article) yet you felt it was OK to do the exact same thing (the nascar article). Why did you not credit the source on that until I brought it up? Actually don't answer is you will simply defend what you did instead of saying you should have given the source.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        You win and this is my last post on the subject.

        What is funny is you have never admitted being wrong or admitted there may have been a better way to handle something in the 1.5 years I visited the forum. As an example, you heavily chastised another forum when they didn't credit you for something (I think it was the SLS article) yet you felt it was OK to do the exact same thing (the nascar article). Why did you not credit the source on that until I brought it up? Actually don't answer is you will simply defend what you did instead of saying you should have given the source.
        I'm not sure what you are talking about. You mean the Nascar versus F1 infograph picture? That was never put up as an article, it's a picture link in a forum post, therefore it was not cited. It was simply an image linked that was interesting not a front page article, once again. I don't think it's common practice for every image linked on forums to be individually and specifically cited, at least I've never seen it. If you search for the image or look at the filename it will show where it came from. Even so, I wasn't using it as an article so not sure what you mean especially considering I cite sources. I also told you exactly where it came from when you for some reason blamed me for it having inaccurate information when it's nothing more than just a picture somebody else made.

        I'm really not sure what issue you are having here or what relevance this has. I'm trying to be as respectful as possible regarding this project and not bothering someone during the holidays. It can wait, this isn't life or death, and there is a meet coming up where Craig and I can talk off the forum about this project and I'm sure other interesting topics as well without any pressure or prying eyes. I'm not sure why I should admit to being wrong or what I should admit to being wrong to or what better way you would have of handling this for that matter. I don't think you were even aware of the meet until I linked to it so it seems you interjected negatively without having the whole picture.

        You seem to be over-reacting over nothing worth over-reacting over...
      1. Dodger63's Avatar
        Dodger63 -
        He said come down any time, that's an open invite what do you need an invitation sent to you??


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I'm not sure what you are talking about. You mean the Nascar versus F1 infograph picture? That was never put up as an article, it's a picture link in a forum post, therefore it was not cited. It was simply an image linked that was interesting not a front page article, once again. I don't think it's common practice for every image linked on forums to be individually and specifically cited, at least I've never seen it. If you search for the image or look at the filename it will show where it came from. Even so, I wasn't using it as an article so not sure what you mean especially considering I cite sources. I also told you exactly where it came from when you for some reason blamed me for it having inaccurate information when it's nothing more than just a picture somebody else made.

        I'm really not sure what issue you are having here or what relevance this has. I'm trying to be as respectful as possible regarding this project and not bothering someone during the holidays. It can wait, this isn't life or death, and there is a meet coming up where Craig and I can talk off the forum about this project and I'm sure other interesting topics as well without any pressure or prying eyes. I'm not sure why I should admit to being wrong or what I should admit to being wrong to or what better way you would have of handling this for that matter. I don't think you were even aware of the meet until I linked to it so it seems you interjected negatively without having the whole picture.

        You seem to be over-reacting over nothing worth over-reacting over...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        He said come down any time, that's an open invite what do you need an invitation sent to you??
        I realize he said any time but I asked specifically for a time on multiple occasions as I understand he is busy. Seriously, what, you would just show up out of the blue and expect for everything to stop and get a grand tour? It's really no big deal. He has a meet coming up and I said I would come to that which obviously he will have time for.

        Considering the insults I received from Craig yes, I did not feel particularly welcome and would have liked a warmer invitation which I don't think is too much to ask from a professional now is it?

        I was not about to bother them calling like some punk demanding time before SEMA when they are working likely day and night to get a car done in time for a show. I am not about to annoy someone during the holiday period either. Other tuners schedule meetings with me and they suggest the time and place. That is all I was waiting on. With the meet coming up I thought that would work since @cpais has read this thread and posted in it since I made posts asking what time would be good for him. He ignored those posts leading me to believe he has no desire for me stop by and take a look at what World Motorsports is doing. Which, btw, is a courtesy to them. If that's the case then I'm not going where I'm not welcome.

        So, I hope my position makes more sense now and I find it odd you seem to take issue with everything no matter the intentions. I can see how you and Craig would get along.
      1. ecampbell's Avatar
        ecampbell -
        Perhaps Craig reacted the way he did because you couldn't take 2 minutes and call him and chose to put everything on the forum where people are like lemmings and jump on someone without knowing the facts. My guess is Craig saw this and thought WTF. This is the exact reason why I no longer say what I am doing with my car on the forum. If someone wants to know they can pm me, email me, or call me.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        Perhaps Craig reacted the way he did because you couldn't take 2 minutes and call him and chose to put everything on the forum where people are like lemmings and jump on someone without knowing the facts. My guess is Craig saw this and thought WTF. This is the exact reason why I no longer say what I am doing with my car on the forum. If someone wants to know they can pm me, email me, or call me.
        I already stated I use forums, txts, e-mail, etc., as my primary means of communication. I don't use voice calls that often anymore really. Maybe if he had a Twitter account? I also did contact him through Facebook. Is it unreasonable to expect a response to my response confirming his invitation made in the thread? If we already established we were communicating here what would be the harm in another response from him?

        It seems pretty reasonable to me to say hey I'm free on this day and this day. I mean didn't he just do that with his meet that is coming up? People can't be expected to guess and my whole reasoning was not to bother him before SEMA. I didn't want to take time away from completing an important project everyone wanted to see. I just wanted to get more info that people were requesting when it was most convenient. His shop and work are much more important than satisfying general curiosity but we all have an interest which is why we are here in the first place.

        It isn't a big deal once again. Also, if he doesn't want me there he likely wouldn't say anything regarding when to come so I'm not going to press it. It isn't a big deal to me I'm not sure why we are making it into something larger.

        As far as your car is concerned and how you wish to share information, go about it any way you please. I think we all realize the importance of forums for sharing information, but that the information needs to be submitted. People can't be expected to guess and additionally if one individual does call you to find out what is going on it really serves no purpose to the community who can't benefit from witnessing that discussion. Perhaps you being older you look at communication differently than I do but I prefer the forum model for exchange on these subjects as it makes for an easy and quick reference for a larger target group. Likely simply a difference of perspective and nothing more.