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    • Supercharged DCT E92 M3 versus tuned Nissan GT-R - ESS VT1 535 SC M3 with meth versus Cobb tuned GT-R from a roll

      The Nissan GT-R is a very tough opponent and currently one of the most popular tuner platforms out there. The M3 has the disadvantage of not having turbos but makes up for it with a larger displacement motor having a wider powerband. What many people forget is the M3 is lighter than the GT-R, rear wheel drive, and also features a dual clutch transmission with tight gearing. With equal power the M3 actually will have the advantage from a roll but obviously the GT-R is a monster from a stop thanks to the traction afforded by its all wheel drive.


      In the video below the race shows the M3's strength which is the top end especially with a centrifugal blower like the one used in the ESS VT1 kit which builds boost with revs. The ESS supercharger kit is modified with a higher boost pulley (about 6 psi) and supplemented with meth injection. The GT-R features exhaust modifications including a mid pipe and a Cobb OTS 93 octane tune.

      The GT-R gets the jump but the M3 is able to reel it in and pass at higher speeds. From a stop on the street, the GT-R would likely build too large of a lead thanks to the all wheel drive for the M3 to overcome on street tires. On the highway though, the M3 proves how capable of a platform it can be. Enjoy the race, the GT-R is not unbeatable.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: M3 Raping ANOTHER GTR! started by LostMarine View original post
      Comments 59 Comments
      1. M&M's Avatar
        M&M -
        Good runs bro. What gear/rpm did you start in?
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        LM, it feels like you're starting too low gear/RPM wise, no?

        Great runs!
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        Good race I have new respect for you car after seeing that video right there.

        Next weekend when I am down at ATCO we can set up a re match between us and get the run's recorded this time. We can do my low boost spring pressure and the mid boost that I ran you on last night.

        Again much respect for you M3 love that thing.
        Thanks, you can cross me off your list now Click here to enlargeBut i would like a CLEAN run Vs you and @Sledgehammer im sure of the outcome, but i want to see how bad if we are both on our A-game

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M&M Click here to enlarge
        Good runs bro. What gear/rpm did you start in?
        3rd gear, maybe 50 ish? @kthxbye do you know?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
        LM, it feels like you're starting too low gear/RPM wise, no?

        Great runs!
        I dont know, it felt like a good pull. we were slower for the ess 600 car and i started in 3rd for that, and i could jump him.

        2nd is very very VERY touchy. It SOOOOOOO loud you cant hear the honks and has violence to match (Squeeze and sledge can tell you, or show you, if they find that FP Black Evo video from lastnight Click here to enlarge )

        even if the car does hook, its so quick to redline I almost guarantee a rev limit bounce
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        I'm up for it maybe the same place we met before
      1. kthxbye's Avatar
        kthxbye -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge

        3rd gear, maybe 50 ish? @kthxbye do you know?
        At least for me it was 3rd and I think we started at 45MPH
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        The Nissan GT-R is a very tough opponent and currently one of the most popular tuner platforms out there. The M3 has the disadvantage of not having turbos but makes up for it with a larger displacement motor having a wider powerband. What many people forget is the M3 is lighter than the GT-R, rear wheel drive, and also features a dual clutch transmission with tight gearing. With equal power the M3 actually will have the advantage from a roll but obviously the GT-R is a monster from a stop thanks to the traction afforded by its all wheel drive.

        Click here to enlarge

        In the video below the race shows the M3's strength which is the top end especially with a centrifugal blower like the one used in the ESS VT1 kit which builds boost with revs. The ESS supercharger kit is modified with a higher boost pulley (about 6 psi) and supplemented with meth injection. The GT-R features exhaust modifications including a mid pipe and a Cobb OTS 93 octane tune.

        The GT-R gets the jump but the M3 is able to reel it in and pass at higher speeds. From a stop on the street, the GT-R would likely build too large of a lead thanks to the all wheel drive for the M3 to overcome on street tires. On the highway though, the M3 proves how capable of a platform it can be. Enjoy the race, the GT-R is not unbeatable.

      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
        Lol at always justifying an M3 over the GTR. GTR is much better and with the proper setup would kill you all day every day
        No one is justifying it, people just underestimate the M3. It's lighter, rear wheel drive, and with a big blower can take down a good number of high powered cars on the highway. Really, the only thing it lacks is all wheel drive traction but it makes up for it by being the superior driver's car. It doesn't drive you.
      1. kthxbye's Avatar
        kthxbye -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No one is justifying it, people just underestimate the M3. It's lighter, rear wheel drive, and with a big blower can take down a good number of high powered cars on the highway. Really, the only thing it lacks is all wheel drive traction but it makes up for it by being the superior driver's car. It doesn't drive you.
        I'll take the run as it is, but I learned today that I may have been running 2 degrees less timing due to some bad gas. When going at it my boost gauge was flashing, at the time I did not know what that meant and attributed it to the cobb, turns out that the flashing boost gauge is the knock indicator.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by kthxbye Click here to enlarge
        I'll take the run as it is, but I learned today that I may have been running 2 degrees less timing due to some bad gas. When going at it my boost gauge was flashing, at the time I did not know what that meant and attributed it to the cobb, turns out that the flashing boost gauge is the knock indicator.
        No worries man, cars can always get stronger or tuned better.
      1. kthxbye's Avatar
        kthxbye -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No worries man, cars can always get stronger or tuned better.
        I see this as an excuse to run again Click here to enlarge
      1. The Ghost's Avatar
        The Ghost -
        The sounds of the exhaust at 1:25 is awesome. Had to listen to that a few times.

        Good run.
      1. The Ghost's Avatar
        The Ghost -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        being the superior driver's car. It doesn't drive you.
        Lol!! While the only reason I wouldn't own a GTR is because of no MT, this statement is a little bold, I'd say; considering how the M3 gets destroyed in every category (and the price isn't that far off).

        I hear you though (mostly).
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by The Ghost Click here to enlarge
        Lol!! While the only reason I wouldn't own a GTR is because of no MT, this statement is a little bold, I'd say; considering how the M3 gets destroyed in every category (and the price isn't that far off).

        I hear you though (mostly).
        The better driver's car does not equal the one that puts up the better performance numbers.
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Wow was not expecting that at all !
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by kthxbye Click here to enlarge
        I see this as an excuse to run again Click here to enlarge
        LOL, like we need an excuse Click here to enlarge
      1. M&M's Avatar
        M&M -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by kthxbye Click here to enlarge
        At least for me it was 3rd and I think we started at 45MPH
        Dam, LM that's way too low for a super M against a strong boosted car. You need to get up to at least 6500rpm before you honk. I know it's a short stint before you have to shift and wheelspin & rev-limiters might get in the way, but it is MUCH MUCH worse to roll in the mid-range. If you roll from 6500 you will get into the powerband and stay there & will make a big difference to the race. Even if you short shift a tad in 2nd to avoid the limiter.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        i dunno, later that same night i tried it both ways against @mrsqueeze and @Sledgehammer. traction just wasnt there, and if it was, the rev limit was tapped. No doubt i need to practice a bit more, but all my runs were in 3rd gear from a 45ish roll, some cars i pull, some I dont
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        I would think you would have traction bro based on the tire size/compound those are decently sticky tires. I was in 2nd gear for all of my runs and the car jumps. In my mind from the higher roll speed/rpm for your benefit you may accelerate more smoothly with no traction issues.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        I would think you would have traction bro based on the tire size/compound those are decently sticky tires. I was in 2nd gear for all of my runs and the car jumps. In my mind from the higher roll speed/rpm for your benefit you may accelerate more smoothly with no traction issues.

        i tried it vs the evo, just wasnt happening. BUT, IIRC,it was like 50* out , and I know tire pressure is at like 40 right now.. i may have to drop it down
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        The tire pressure drop should help and it was right around 54/55 degrees thats true. I held traction going WOT in 2nd gear spun one time and let out but it was on a concrete section of highway, on asphalt I had no problems.