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    • Boosted E9X M3 Showdown - Supercharged ESS VT1-535 w/meth vs. Active Autowerke Stage 2+ w/meth + ESS VT2-600 - All DCT

      Here is a nice little boosted M3 battle for your viewing pleasure. This comes courtesy of BimmerBoost member LostMarine who is the camera car with his supercharged DCT E92 M3 running the ESS VT1-535 kit with a higher boost pulley and meth. The white E90 M3 belongs to BimmerBoost member akh23456 also being a DCT car but running an Active Autowerke Stage 2+ setup with a bigger blower and meth. The final car is running the ESS VT2-600 supercharger kit with a catless exhaust.


      Now, the Active Autowerke car puts a hurting on Lost Marine's ESS-VT1 setup. It straight up dusts him there is no easy way to say it. That is fine considering he is running the lowest power kit from ESS and it has no intercooler. What is fairly surprising is how well he does against the ESS VT2-600 setup, losing, but putting up a very good fight until the VT2-600 slowly pulls up top. We are guessing that VT2-600 owner is going to be looking into meth very quickly.

      No transmission or shift excuses in this video with all M3's having the dual clutch transmission. All cars are supposedly on 93 octane but you never know. We do not get to see the Active Autowerke car run the ESS VT2-600 setup but it's not difficult to come to the realization that he would make easy work of it. That is one very quick M3 and we would like to get the full specs on the upgraded blower it is running as soon as possible. Very nice races, enjoy.

      @LostMarine @akh23456


      This article was originally published in forum thread: AA Stg2+ E90 M3 Vs ESS VT1535 w/Meth E92 M3 Vs ESS VT2600 E92 M3- All DCT started by LostMarine View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M&M Click here to enlarge
        I don't think you can induce a spike by design in a charger kit.
        Even on the dyno?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M&M Click here to enlarge
        hitting the rev limiter or dyno limiter or the gearbox upshifting will cause a spike. So I think the spike is more dyno-related.
        I see but if you wanted to cause this you could, right?
      1. M&M's Avatar
        M&M -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Even on the dyno?

        I see but if you wanted to cause this you could, right?
        I suppose you could if you set the dyno limiter too soon or too high and hit the rev limiter.

        This is how you do it right:

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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M&M Click here to enlarge
        I suppose you could if you set the dyno limiter too soon or too high and hit the rev limiter.
        Thanks, what I wanted to know.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        Just as I expected! Dyno vs Real Life Click here to enlarge
        yup. whats that saying? " the BS stops when the green light pops?"
      1. MisterEm's Avatar
        MisterEm -
        @LostMarine + rep for you Steve for the video and bumping it. Wish I saw this earlier.

        Great to see someone post this comparison even with a loss.
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        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MisterEm Click here to enlarge
        @LostMarine + rep for you Steve for the video and bumping it. Wish I saw this earlier.

        Great to see someone post this comparison even with a loss.
        Win or lose, I post results, some people say that too, but really dont. I post everything up Click here to enlarge

        i saw some people talking about the difference between my kit and the AA kit at an Atco event,when the AA kit had everything against it, I was on AK's drag radials and he was spinning pretty bad.

        not sure if @NikB316 has seen it yet either.
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        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Win or lose, I post results, some people say that too, but really dont. I post everything up Click here to enlarge

        i saw some people talking about the difference between my kit and the AA kit at an Atco event,when the AA kit had everything against it, I was on AK's drag radials and he was spinning pretty bad.

        not sure if @NikB316 has seen it yet either.

        Apparently you love your kit.

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        Hey Roman, quick question for you, is the VT1-535 with upgraded pulley that we see in this video is exactly the same as the new VT1-550 kit!?

        That car ran our older 535 kit with a pulley size very similar to the new 550. I was told the car was making high 400 whp without the water meth. I never got a dyno from the owner so I can only go by what I was told but the few times we talked I was told the car ran great. I would say the new 550 is very close in power to that car minus the water meth system he ran.
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      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
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        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        Apparently you love your kit.

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        Hey Roman, quick question for you, is the VT1-535 with upgraded pulley that we see in this video is exactly the same as the new VT1-550 kit!?

        That car ran our older 535 kit with a pulley size very similar to the new 550. I was told the car was making high 400 whp without the water meth. I never got a dyno from the owner so I can only go by what I was told but the few times we talked I was told the car ran great. I would say the new 550 is very close in power to that car minus the water meth system he ran.
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        Roman was helpful in my search for a fuel regulator.

        The car did 470 for one run, next run heatsoaked down to 458, meth put it at a consistant 465 ish,

        Im not going to go all out, and say what an $#@! AJ was in my communications with him, or that the car wasnt strong at WOT, (it was) but due to the fact hardware was sub-par, nowhere near what I had been lead to believe (many 3rd party people have said so as well after reviewing); the fact that anything not WOT was utter crap for drivability/ felt like an on/off switch (many 3rd part drivers can attest to this as well); had a serious issue of continuing to boost/accelerate after releasing the gas peddle, that I can safely say those kits dont belong on an M3..old notch-back mustang, sure, M3- whats supposed to be a refined driving machine, absolutely not.

        Loved it so much so that i fell out of love with my car, took a loss in selling the kit, only to find out that I love everything about the M but it needs more power- only this time i wont compromise because one kit COSTS less- because i know for a FACT, that you actually GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR, and I chinced out on that one.. wont make that mistake again..
        but id rather not discuss thos things publicly, or else ill have a crew of ess lovers coming after me at the next eventClick here to enlarge
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        i saw some people talking about the difference between my kit and the AA kit at an Atco event,when the AA kit had everything against it, I was on AK's drag radials and he was spinning pretty bad.
        That was probably my favorite part of that thread.... That Roman goes & brags about how your E92 with the ESS-550+ with DRs barely outperformed Akash's E90 AA on Street Tires, with the old HKS blower.

        Selective data mite work over there, but that $#@! doesn't fly for people evaluating all the variables. And @Andrew@activeautowerke, THANK YOU for calling out Roman's claim on LM "loving" the ESS kit + the super lean AFR they're running at redline. Let's see if we get a straight answer before the thread gets closed.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Loved it so much so that i fell out of love with my car, took a loss in selling the kit, only to find out that I love everything about the M but it needs more power- only this time i wont compromise because one kit COSTS less- because i know for a FACT, that you actually GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR, and I chinced out on that one.. wont make that mistake again..
        Should've held out for that VF kit from VAC Click here to enlarge Still amazed how close your car kept up with that Space Grey ESS-625
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge

        That was probably my favorite part of that thread.... That Roman goes & brags about how your E92 with the ESS-550+ with DRs barely outperformed Akash's E90 AA on Street Tires, with the old HKS blower.

        Selective data mite work over there, but that $#@! doesn't fly for people evaluating all the variables. And @Andrew@activeautowerke , THANK YOU for calling out Roman's claim on LM "loving" the ESS kit + the super lean AFR they're running at redline. Let's see if we get a straight answer before the thread gets closed.


        Should've held out for that VF kit from VAC Click here to enlarge Still amazed how close your car kept up with that Space Grey ESS-625
        oh yea, i forgot about the lean AFR's.. but that other Ess car was a DCT 600, i dont think he upgraded yet, i know he bought the 625 upgrade though
      1. akh23456's Avatar
        akh23456 -
        Lol these idiots can never stop over at ESS. My car had idle control valve issue back then and Mike from VAC can verify it.I brought to them before i went to the dealer who did it under good will.
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Ill just stay over here and hang with you guys. Its so frustrating dealing with ignorant people. They treat Roman likes hes Jesus and everything he speaks is the truth. 9 psi is going to blow the engine (yeah I made that up) but you better believe me because we have undersold all of our kits and reached 600. Never trust someone who tells you 13 afr is the way they wanted it to be at redline.

        We own every supercharged market except the s65 and I believe when people start seeing more on the street and actually drive them we will own that market as well.

        Rome will fall Fellas and when it does they will have nothing to stand on.
      1. MisterEm's Avatar
        MisterEm -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
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        Im not going to go all out, and say what an $#@! AJ was in my communications with him, or that the car wasnt strong at WOT, (it was) but due to the fact hardware was sub-par, nowhere near what I had been lead to believe (many 3rd party people have said so as well after reviewing); the fact that anything not WOT was utter crap for drivability/ felt like an on/off switch

        Loved it so much so that i fell out of love with my car, took a loss in selling the kit, only to find out that I love everything about the M but it needs more power
        Sounds like we had similar dealings with the infallible AJ. I am still waiting on my "warranty refund" for failing smog for 3 months, and having to flash to stock software on my dime for his inability to read my tune requirements - rear O2's on please. The registration fines I also paid on my dime. Their warranty language is garbage. I spent more on DMV penalties, towing fees, and dealer charges getting my car "fixed" than I spent on Asbjorn's "custom tune." Even after forwarding him the original invoice which clearly shows the mishap - not even a "whoops." That is not a company I want to deal with ever again.

        @Andrew@activeautowerke - The AA kit for the S54 was always my favorite over the years. The recent developments on the S65 kit and owner's results should sell it for you - although I am leaning towards Evolve as my favorite S65 kit. AA is a close 1(b) for sure!
      1. j2m's Avatar
        j2m -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        Ill just stay over here and hang with you guys. Its so frustrating dealing with ignorant people. They treat Roman likes hes Jesus and everything he speaks is the truth. 9 psi is going to blow the engine (yeah I made that up) but you better believe me because we have undersold all of our kits and reached 600. Never trust someone who tells you 13 afr is the way they wanted it to be at redline.

        We own every supercharged market except the s65 and I believe when people start seeing more on the street and actually drive them we will own that market as well.

        Rome will fall Fellas and when it does they will have nothing to stand on.
        Clearly you think that just because people dis-agree with you that they it's because of the kit they are running on their car.
        The fact of the matter is that, in a lot of your posts, you come off as extremely arrogant yet insecure. Cross-posting in multiple forums to instigate inflammatory comments is a pussy move. Over here you are a tough guy yet over there you you write a "tough guy" post and then delete it (saying you're tired of wasting time) and then run over here and continue to "waste time".
        A lot of people don't want to buy products from a D-Bag's.
        When I was shopping for a blower I looked at 3 companies. AA, ESS & Gintani
        - When I called and spoke with you I told you I was considering ESS & Gintani. You spent the majority of the conversation $#@!ting on ESS, so I said what most customer will say... "OK thanks, let me think about it". What I was thinking was "what a D-Bag" and then immediately scratched AA off my list.
        - Both ESS & Gintani said nothing negative about any company but focused on the features of their kits. For that reason I have spent $THOUSANDS with both company and will continue to do so.

        I'm sure you are a nice guy but damn you are so defensive and always the center of drama somewhere. Running back and forth to forums, speaking out of both side of your mouth is a douche move.

        Spend more time representing AA rather rather then YOUR EGO and I guarantee you will sell more, make more $$$$$ and undoubtedly be a better representation for AA.
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        Ill just stay over here and hang with you guys. Its so frustrating dealing with ignorant people. They treat Roman likes hes Jesus and everything he speaks is the truth. 9 psi is going to blow the engine (yeah I made that up) but you better believe me because we have undersold all of our kits and reached 600. Never trust someone who tells you 13 afr is the way they wanted it to be at redline.

        We own every supercharged market except the s65 and I believe when people start seeing more on the street and actually drive them we will own that market as well.

        Rome will fall Fellas and when it does they will have nothing to stand on.
        You own every supercharged market? Really? lol
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        You own every supercharged market? Really? lol
        Who has sold more e46 kits or e36 kits?
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        for Roman
        The last round of communications I had with Lostmarine was when I asked him how his dyno session went. He informed me that with his standard VT1-535 pulley he made 470 whp in 4th gear.
        correct


        After a few runs the power dropped 459 whp which is not uncommon for a non-intercooled or intercooled car sitting on a dyno that has limited air flow to lose 2% of its power
        not a few runs, not after some time, immidiataley. if you recall, i was testing how the power suffered from heatsoak, this was we did one pull, checked it, did another. power went to 45x, turned meth on, did another pull 465- im not after dyno glory- hot lapping, just like they are on the road

        The following text I received was that he planned to dyno again with the smaller pulley and report back.
        correct

        One of the last comments made was "the car is performing better than the dyno numbers would indicate."
        correct

        Based on my communications I would say the story Andrew received over PM and I received over text were very different.

        Andrew did not recieve PM's, as you can see, it was posted publicly here.
        But knowing this individual’s past history and behavior I cannot say I am surprised.
        ​ hypocrisy roman.. you guys are the definition of it..

        If there really was an issue I would think he would contact me as he had my cell or Autocotoure who did his installation.
        theres no installation error, Autocouture did their part flawlessy-its about about reading reviews, believing the hype, and then seeing first-hand it was just that,hype.

        When i have the ESS personell telling me that I have a wrong pulley, that was sent by ESS, it gets frustrating to have to correct the people im asking for information from. When I explain that there is a spacer on my kit, and told by ESS there is not- when witnessed by the more prominent ESS owners, it gets frustrating.. How do I know my kit better than the people that made it?


        I have followed up with Autocouture and they have no record of complaints from this individual.

        Again, Autocouture did their part. This has nothing to do with them. They did a great job
        This is about the fact that my car felt like a $#@!ing $#@!box old american car whenever it was not WOT, and was told its "normal"

        Its about the fact that the car continues to accelerate after letting OFF the gas pedal. I cant have that $#@! going on, who the $#@! wants a car thats unsafe?



        It seems that now Lostmarine has sold his kit he is back to his old way

        maybe, as i said before I dont tolerate bull$#@!- just because i cant post on M3post doesnt mean i dont see it. When i see people holler and scream as loud as they can that they are telling the truth, when i was STANDING WiTH THEM at the time, and know they are lying, it pisses me off.

        I realized first that i supported that by purchasing the kit itself- i condoned it. That was the biggest mistake I made here.
        This is exemplified when you have those same people threatening others to "better watch what they say"
        (I did that once, and I made a mistake in doing so. )

        My point is, you are judged by the company you keep, and you guys keep some $#@!ty company-

        as I said, YOU were most helpful in the fueling issue, thank you
      1. disruptv's Avatar
        disruptv -
        There was a possibility of me sc'ing my e63 m6 but I have crossed off Ess from this list in light of the performance and drivability issues they appear to have...the s85 is even worse in terms of heat soak
        I wish there were more s85 options out there..
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by disruptv Click here to enlarge
        There was a possibility of me sc'ing my e63 m6 but I have crossed off Ess from this list in light of the performance and drivability issues they appear to have...the s85 is even worse in terms of heat soak
        I wish there were more s85 options out there..
        glad you did the research for yourself and not listened to the same 5 people- which, BTW, the same kit upgraded 3 times, on each person, is counted as individual kits being sold.

        For instance, a guy that went from 535-625-650 "bought" 3 kits
        a guy that went from 600 on car A, then 600 on car B then 625 on car B, and 625 on car C and 650 on car C, and 700 on car C is a total of 6 kits "sold" .. food for thought..
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        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        glad you did the research for yourself and not listened to the same 5 people- which, BTW, the same kit upgraded 3 times, on each person, is counted as individual kits being sold.

        For instance, a guy that went from 535-625-650 "bought" 3 kits
        a guy that went from 600 on car A, then 600 on car B then 625 on car B, and 625 on car C and 650 on car C, and 700 on car C is a total of 6 kits "sold" .. food for thought..
        Oh yeah ? lol Then we are doing very well. I wish more of our customers were on the forum though :/