• Boosted E9X M3 Showdown - Supercharged ESS VT1-535 w/meth vs. Active Autowerke Stage 2+ w/meth + ESS VT2-600 - All DCT

      Here is a nice little boosted M3 battle for your viewing pleasure. This comes courtesy of BimmerBoost member LostMarine who is the camera car with his supercharged DCT E92 M3 running the ESS VT1-535 kit with a higher boost pulley and meth. The white E90 M3 belongs to BimmerBoost member akh23456 also being a DCT car but running an Active Autowerke Stage 2+ setup with a bigger blower and meth. The final car is running the ESS VT2-600 supercharger kit with a catless exhaust.


      Now, the Active Autowerke car puts a hurting on Lost Marine's ESS-VT1 setup. It straight up dusts him there is no easy way to say it. That is fine considering he is running the lowest power kit from ESS and it has no intercooler. What is fairly surprising is how well he does against the ESS VT2-600 setup, losing, but putting up a very good fight until the VT2-600 slowly pulls up top. We are guessing that VT2-600 owner is going to be looking into meth very quickly.

      No transmission or shift excuses in this video with all M3's having the dual clutch transmission. All cars are supposedly on 93 octane but you never know. We do not get to see the Active Autowerke car run the ESS VT2-600 setup but it's not difficult to come to the realization that he would make easy work of it. That is one very quick M3 and we would like to get the full specs on the upgraded blower it is running as soon as possible. Very nice races, enjoy.

      @LostMarine @akh23456

      This article was originally published in forum thread: AA Stg2+ E90 M3 Vs ESS VT1535 w/Meth E92 M3 Vs ESS VT2600 E92 M3- All DCT started by LostMarine View original post
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      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by NikB316 Click here to enlarge
        I meant bashing in general...not just on this thread. You are correct, more so on that "other place". I just found out about this forum when I got this car and have just been reading the other place's stuff since my first BMW in 07. The negative comments for the most part seem to be one way as you mentioned but like anything else it is specific people; not the general population. Usually these people are the one's who are most insecure. I have respect and appreciation for all the kits. If I ended up buying one of the cars with an ESS kit I am sure I would be just as happy! I can understand someone speaking negatively about a competitor if they had owned one of the kits and switched over, but this is just blind negativity . I'm looking forward to being more active in the community so we all have another AA car that we can use to compare...friendly of course!
        You got lots of Jersey guys here if you ever want to play a bit... I'm a Somerset County native myself by the way. Not far from there nowadays as well

        Good post by the way
      1. NikB316's Avatar
        NikB316 -
        Thanks Sticky...glad to be here and very happy I came across this forum.

        Sledgehammer, definitely seems to be a bunch of people in NJ which is great! I'll be eager to play once I get a little more used to the power in this car. I've had a 335xi (slight tune), NA E92 M3, Continental GT (had around 700hp crank but weighed soooo much and cost too much to fix lol) and a Carrera 4S in that order so getting used all of this RWD HP takes some time. This car has is definitely my favorite. I have used all my cars as a DD as the combo of sport and luxury in the M3 is perfect for me. I missed the previous M3 I had but needed something with a little more of a kick so this was perfect for me. What are the specs on your vette? My buddy had one of those Lingenfelter C5s...don't know the year or specs but was hands down the fastest car I have been in!
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        @LostMarine what is the song in the video in the OP?

        Laidback Luke ft. Chuckie & Martin Solveig- 1234 (Original Mix)
      1. Mike@VAC's Avatar
        Mike@VAC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Thats why im doing a custom Whipple next Click here to enlarge
        We know of a mfgr who already has the hardware done. Seriously.

        ps. whats this I hear about you and Klevis talking?? Click here to enlarge
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Top Secret S65 Whipple Build?!?!? Click here to enlarge
      1. flipm3's Avatar
        flipm3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
        We know of a mfgr who already has the hardware done. Seriously.
        By "Seriously." do you mean you are not joking?! Because if you are...that's just mean...
      1. Mike@VAC's Avatar
        Mike@VAC -
        Twin screw, yes. They are stuck on the tuning - I suspect the project will be aborted since other things are higher priority.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
        Twin screw, yes. They are stuck on the tuning - I suspect the project will be aborted since other things are higher priority.
        Think it will actually come to fruition?
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MikeVAC Click here to enlarge
        Twin screw, yes. They are stuck on the tuning - I suspect the project will be aborted since other things are higher priority.
        I would love to see that kit come to life!
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by NikB316 Click here to enlarge
        I meant bashing in general...not just on this thread. You are correct, more so on that "other place". I just found out about this forum when I got this car and have just been reading the other place's stuff since my first BMW in 07. The negative comments for the most part seem to be one way as you mentioned but like anything else it is specific people; not the general population. Usually these people are the one's who are most insecure. I have respect and appreciation for all the kits. If I ended up buying one of the cars with an ESS kit I am sure I would be just as happy! I can understand someone speaking negatively about a competitor if they had owned one of the kits and switched over, but this is just blind negativity . I'm looking forward to being more active in the community so we all have another AA car that we can use to compare...friendly of course!

        Good post and another Supercharged M3 in Jersey cant wait tell everyone is together for some run's.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
        We know of a mfgr who already has the hardware done. Seriously.

        ps. whats this I hear about you and Klevis talking?? Click here to enlarge
        Enthusiasts talking about cars and stuff, enjoying them for the reason we did what we did to them Click here to enlarge

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
        Twin screw, yes. They are stuck on the tuning - I suspect the project will be aborted since other things are higher priority.
        I looked into this, and 3 things keep me hesitant, the ITB's, tuning (althoug has to be able to be done eventually), and DCT

        ITB's ive been told are fairly easy to overcome, but the dct and low-end tq scare me, if i were a manual guy, i wouldnt give a shyt
      1. evolve's Avatar
        evolve -
        Amazing what happens when your away for 6 weeks.

        Looks like you guys are having some fun over there!

        Race safe.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by evolve Click here to enlarge
        Amazing what happens when your away for 6 weeks.
        Where have you been??
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Enthusiasts talking about cars and stuff, enjoying them for the reason we did what we did to them Click here to enlarge



        I looked into this, and 3 things keep me hesitant, the ITB's, tuning (althoug has to be able to be done eventually), and DCT

        ITB's ive been told are fairly easy to overcome, but the dct and low-end tq scare me, if i were a manual guy, i wouldnt give a shyt
        What kind of tq numbers do you expect from a whipple? DCT 335 guys are holding 430ish tq at the wheels between 3-4.5k.
      1. evolve's Avatar
        evolve -
        Busy on R&D and overseas for quite some time.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by flipm3 Click here to enlarge
        Just to kind of throw this out in the field. I took a dyno posted by Omar when he worked for AA for the prior AA Stage2 with GTS5550 at 8psi. Then I took another dyno posted by Jean at VelosDesignwerks of a VT2-625 at 7.5psi. They were both dyno'd in Miami, FL. I am not sure if it was done at the same location or even the same conditions.

        What I did was use the handy dandy Photoshop, and I transformed each graph so that the X and Y axis and scaling lined up. Believe it or not, it actually lined up significantly better than I expected. I purposely left the right side of the image sloppy so you can see how I lined everything up.

        So take this photo for what it's worth. I did it just so we can visually see the differences between the two kits that seem most comparable without having any DRF files.

        I know it's not the most scientific nor controlled comparison. But I specifically chose these dynos because of where they were conducted and the close levels of boost. Considering that Andrew@AA mentioned that the newer GTS5555 holds power better up top and may be good for 10hp or so, I would LOVE to see what a current out-of-the-box AA Stage 2 and ESS VT2-625 stack up on the dyno and track. No extra modifications to the standard offered kit. No funky tunes. No funky pulleys.

        Of course that would be in the ideal world, which is likely to not happen, haha.

        ORIGINAL DYNOS are property of Active Autowerke and Velos Designwerks respectively. If you want me to take down this photo, I will gladly do so. My intention was just to provide a visual representation of what is being discussed here, not to step on any ones toes.
        Can I use thatgraph?
      1. flipm3's Avatar
        flipm3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Can I use thatgraph?
        Here are better ones that I made that you can have. I remade them so that they don't have the Velos Designwerks logo on there. I also included conditions and a little more detail about the individual cars. Hopefully this makes it more clear that it was clearly edited on Photoshop and not WinPEP7.

        Once again, the original dynos are property of Velos Designwerks and Active Autowerke. I simply just took the graphs and overlayed them in Adobe Photoshop for my own personal analysis. Click here to enlarge

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      1. flipm3's Avatar
        flipm3 -
        hehehe....i see what you were up to Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by flipm3 Click here to enlarge
        Here are better ones that I made that you can have. I remade them so that they don't have the Velos Designwerks logo on there. I also included conditions and a little more detail about the individual cars. Hopefully this makes it more clear that it was clearly edited on Photoshop and not WinPEP7.

        Once again, the original dynos are property of Velos Designwerks and Active Autowerke. I simply just took the graphs and overlayed them in Adobe Photoshop for my own personal analysis. Click here to enlarge

        http://www.PorscheBoost.com/images/i...ge2_0001-1.jpg

        http://www.PorscheBoost.com/images/i...ge2_0002-1.jpg
        Honestly this is pretty cool, I may front page this.
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Highly doubt the vortech makes more power down low.