• Boosted E9X M3 Showdown - Supercharged ESS VT1-535 w/meth vs. Active Autowerke Stage 2+ w/meth + ESS VT2-600 - All DCT

      Here is a nice little boosted M3 battle for your viewing pleasure. This comes courtesy of BimmerBoost member LostMarine who is the camera car with his supercharged DCT E92 M3 running the ESS VT1-535 kit with a higher boost pulley and meth. The white E90 M3 belongs to BimmerBoost member akh23456 also being a DCT car but running an Active Autowerke Stage 2+ setup with a bigger blower and meth. The final car is running the ESS VT2-600 supercharger kit with a catless exhaust.


      Now, the Active Autowerke car puts a hurting on Lost Marine's ESS-VT1 setup. It straight up dusts him there is no easy way to say it. That is fine considering he is running the lowest power kit from ESS and it has no intercooler. What is fairly surprising is how well he does against the ESS VT2-600 setup, losing, but putting up a very good fight until the VT2-600 slowly pulls up top. We are guessing that VT2-600 owner is going to be looking into meth very quickly.

      No transmission or shift excuses in this video with all M3's having the dual clutch transmission. All cars are supposedly on 93 octane but you never know. We do not get to see the Active Autowerke car run the ESS VT2-600 setup but it's not difficult to come to the realization that he would make easy work of it. That is one very quick M3 and we would like to get the full specs on the upgraded blower it is running as soon as possible. Very nice races, enjoy.

      @LostMarine @akh23456

      This article was originally published in forum thread: AA Stg2+ E90 M3 Vs ESS VT1535 w/Meth E92 M3 Vs ESS VT2600 E92 M3- All DCT started by LostMarine View original post
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      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        He was in third or you would hear a shift closely after accelerating.
      1. M&M's Avatar
        M&M -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        I do think its funny how a basic 600 kit claims to have run a record 60-130 though, damn that greek air is good! Click here to enlarge
        I think much like you found out, the boost for a given pulley is not an exact science. So he may well have bought a 600kit, but his boost may be the equivalent of a 625 or maybe even more. Throwing in the mix a euro spec car, right hand drive, different options affecting the belt drive system, who knows?
      1. M&M's Avatar
        M&M -
        I don't think you can really compare graphs unless you verify the boost is the same on both. For example this is the difference on my car with just changing boost, no hardware, fuel or any other difference. Just 2.5 psi more boost, but the mid-range fattens up nicely & the smaller pulley makes more power everywhere in the rev-range, but obviously most of the gains are up top.

        Click here to enlarge
      1. akh23456's Avatar
        akh23456 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by longboarder Click here to enlarge
        Actually from page 2 Akash said this:

        So was he in 2nd gear or 3rd gear? LM - sounds like you were definitely in 3rd. If Akash was in 2nd and you were in 3rd that would explain a lot as to me in this vid, it appears he has a 300 HP advantage. When I ran biglare in his 625 kit vs my stock turbo 335, he was making around 150-200 HP more than me and he walked me but pulled no where near as hard as Akash did on you LM.
        I pretty sure i was in 3rd because first run we were around the 50-60 region and the 2nd run i think in the 40-55 but i could be wrong. I stink at listening to the honks and going so i was more worried about that lol.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by akh23456 Click here to enlarge
        I pretty sure i was in 3rd because first run we were around the 50-60 region and the 2nd run i think in the 40-55 but i could be wrong. I stink at listening to the honks and going so i was more worried about that lol.
        So is that your best ET in your sig and any Dino numbers for your current combo?
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by longboarder Click here to enlarge
        Wait...are you saying you did a 3rd gear roll-on at between 40-50 mph? My M3 is stock, but if I punch it in 3rd at that speed the car will barely accelerate. It's a f*ing slug at anything below 6,500 rpm. Even with a blower, you are still barely making boost at that RPM...and for that speed you'd have to be in 2nd gear to make optimal power. Was Akash starting in 2nd gear? If so, that would explain a lot. Can you ask him what gear he started in? Thanks.
        I know what gear we were in, it was 3rd. As others have said, u would hear a shift immidiatly. We all agreed after the runs we should have started in 2nd. I'll say it again, 3rd gear start
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        AK also pulled right with me in my RB335 from 3rd gear rolls, as seen in video
      1. flipm3's Avatar
        flipm3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Some1 said it earlier in the thread (think LM with the cats analogy), but getting all those comparable kits on the same dyno in the same conditions is (sadly) going to be near impossible.

        I'm just very excited to see the non-meth kits battle it out: VF650 vs Evolve
        I said this before, but Bimmerboost needs to host an event called "Battle of the Titans: The Ultimate Supercharger Battle". I'd pay to see all these companies have a shootout with their off-the-shelf kits, haha.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by akh23456 Click here to enlarge
        Great write up man. I know you understand Area under the Curve some people just don't.
        Click here to enlarge From my very limited experience, it just seems more fun to drive a car like that.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M&M Click here to enlarge
        I don't think you can really compare graphs unless you verify the boost is the same on both. For example this is the difference on my car with just changing boost, no hardware, fuel or any other difference. Just 2.5 psi more boost, but the mid-range fattens up nicely & the smaller pulley makes more power everywhere in the rev-range, but obviously most of the gains are up top.

        http://www.benzboost.com/images/impo...mvs103mm-1.jpg
        That is a HUGE difference in power! Is that a VT1-535 with the 92mm?
      1. Mike@VAC's Avatar
        Mike@VAC -
        VAC would gladly host this event on our world famous (lol), heart breaking Mustang.

        We have had ESS 600, 625, AA L2, VF620 on our dyno before (just not on the same day) Click here to enlarge
      1. akh23456's Avatar
        akh23456 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        So is that your best ET in your sig and any Dino numbers for your current combo?
        So far it is my best ET with the old setup...the new one i really haven't had a chance to run it at 100 percent due to Idle control valve ,vacuum leaks and meth line popping out. I will have some numbers soon just haven't had a chance to go to a dyno.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        There seems to be some controversy about this in a less free forum.

        Im only catching up so be patient as I read and reply slowly.

        First @andrew@activeautowerk

        The car made 470 sae on 5.5 psi and meth was flowing about 250ml/min-100% flow at 2.5psi, at the time
        These runs were done on the upgraded pulley 6.3 psi, and 450ml/min meth progressive flow. I should be right at the 500 mark, dyno coming soon

        @M33
        " 1) my traps went ( when I was 6MT ) from 118-126.8 mph just my learning how to launch the car ! 2) pulley sizes and boost , now that LM has a kit he sees the boost/pulley match up to Dyno figures ! so Robert " pencile geek " was honest and right all along 3) now realize that there is little to no advantage on race fuel "

        You are correct in what your traps did, but not why. I'll refresh your memory when not on the phone, but was partly traction, and majority Heatsoak/conditions. This was the first time I told u u would benefit from meth.

        As for pencilgeek, its the opposite, I in fact showed that he was WRONG the entire time. I can cut and paste later, but the point is, that on a nonintercooled car, a 96/97 mm pulley is over 7 psi. The stock pulley sizes are 103 stock/5.5 and 102mm 6.3ish psi
        The I ntercooled kit running a 96/97mm does not see the same exact gain due to pressure loss of the intercooler system.

        As far as conditions, AK and I ran Weds night 11pm ish and the 600 car and I ran Thursday night, 11pm first run, and 230ish am Thursday night/Friday morning. I tho.k the conditions favored the 600 car better so late, as it pulled harder the 2nd run.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Also, as many of you have seen, atco is not in wonderland where its constant negative DA. Take a look at dragtimes DA calculater.. we are in +1800-+2500 DA depending on day/time. As all of you know, if you come out, ill help u get to better performance.

        As for fanboys, just knock it the $#@! off. Run your car not your mouth. It seems to be the people with no car to run, do most of the $#@! talking.

        I've been in every car but gpower, they are all amazing with different qualities. I chose an ess 535 for my own reasons. Did I expect to beat all my friends? Hell no. Did the kit deliver exactly what is expected? YES. It's very formidable in stock form. I chose to maximize MY cars potential, and I did that. It's even more potent.

        I modified my kit, what's the big deal? @M&M modded both a 535 and a625 and everyone holds that to be incredible, but I do it, and its not welcome..
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Speed costs money folks... @LostMarine he picked a kit to reach his goals and budget and then did some smart upgrades. The car is quicker than most would expect and hit his primary goals. This fanboy $#@! and debating $#@! to the end is worthless IMO.

        Did the AA car walk him? Sure did, but he knew that going in, that was a gauge of performance for him. He ran me to do the same. I'd bet he's into his blower setup for less than I am total out the door with his smaller pulley and meth. Meanwhile he stayed reasonably close to a car the owner is likely to have spend way more on. Not to mention he holds off the other ESS car for a lonnnnggg time.

        That car is a beast and many won't see it coming,though you will hear it LOL
      1. Mike@VAC's Avatar
        Mike@VAC -
        Obviously a 600+ kit will beat a low/mid 500 kit - its just common sense and LM/Akash expected nothing different.

        I have experience with AA, ESS, and VF S65 kits and they are all solid solutions. They all perform as claimed, which is all you can ask of a supercharger kit. Each kit has its own unique selling points and people choose the right kit for them based on these points and real world results.

        The REAL difference is the drivers/car/setup/etc. which seems to be a new theory for some of the late model BMW community. As a relative noob to the BMW community, I can say I've never seen such bickering in the other parts of the auto aftermarket. Ultimately, it comes down to the driver and how the car is prepped overall.


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Speed costs money folks... @LostMarine he picked a kit to reach his goals and budget and then did some smart upgrades. The car is quicker than most would expect and hit his primary goals. This fanboy $#@! and debating $#@! to the end is worthless IMO.

        Did the AA car walk him? Sure did, but he knew that going in, that was a gauge of performance for him. He ran me to do the same. I'd bet he's into his blower setup for less than I am total out the door with his smaller pulley and meth. Meanwhile he stayed reasonably close to a car the owner is likely to have spend way more on. Not to mention he holds off the other ESS car for a lonnnnggg time.

        That car is a beast and many won't see it coming,though you will hear it LOL
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        @Mike@VAC -- I know you guys have been running the VF620 kit on the shop car, assuming it's only software differences & the pulley, have you upgraded (or are you going to) upgrade to the the VF650?? I know that the car has the full Fabspeed installed & that 93 octane is required (which is available in the area), so figured I'd ask Click here to enlarge
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
        Obviously a 600+ kit will beat a low/mid 500 kit - its just common sense and LM/Akash expected nothing different.

        I have experience with AA, ESS, and VF S65 kits and they are all solid solutions. They all perform as claimed, which is all you can ask of a supercharger kit. Each kit has its own unique selling points and people choose the right kit for them based on these points and real world results.

        The REAL difference is the drivers/car/setup/etc. which seems to be a new theory for some of the late model BMW community. As a relative noob to the BMW community, I can say I've never seen such bickering in the other parts of the auto aftermarket. Ultimately, it comes down to the driver and how the car is prepped overall.
        Exactly...
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Honestly, I thought we were passed this kiddy $#@!. Obviously ive conversations with owners of every kit around here, every kit has representation mind you, and despite minor differences of opinion on small details we get along and have a good time.

        It seems a kit of the BS is coming from kids in Cali. I don't see why. You can't standardize road results like this; " oh, well if he had x, y, or z wheels or x pipe or blah blah blah"

        It was a couple of guys having fun with their cars. We all have different preference for wheels, be it for looks or perfomance.Exhaust for sound, performance ect.

        It is what it is and what happened happened.
        Cali kids need to let the $#@! go.

        If it had been me and erm and his 625 kit, noone would say $#@! other than erms car is fast... Double standard?
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        All the hates are on the West Coast cause there's no 93 out there Click here to enlarge
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        re-made for BMW owners viewing pleasure Click here to enlarge

      1. NikB316's Avatar
        NikB316 -
        Sick video! Glad to see that both of you each having a different brand kit can have friendly, useful competition. LM, you have seem to done wonders with that 535 kit...very nice.

        Being pretty new to the bmw tuning community (not to BMWs no), all this bashing is pretty sad to read. Everyone who has a supercharged M3 has quite a bit in common; a love of M3s and making them faster than 99.99% cars out there! Friendly competition is one thing but I really didn't expect to see immature bashing in a BMW community of all places.

        I bought my car preowned about a month ago with just a few thousand miles on the supercharger and I looked at ESS cars at the same price. I was honestly not too picky between the two; they each seem to have their own positives and problems as well. I'm still learning more about superchargers as this is my first aftermarket FI. My other FI cars (335xi & Continental GT) were stock turbos and just chipped to bump up the PSI a bit. Once I get a little more used to all this RWD HP (had a fairly stock 08 M3 a year ago) I will gladly use my car for friendly competition/comparison. I live in North NJ. We should all be picking on the AMG & S/RS guys anyway!