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    • Boosted E9X M3 Showdown - Supercharged ESS VT1-535 w/meth vs. Active Autowerke Stage 2+ w/meth + ESS VT2-600 - All DCT

      Here is a nice little boosted M3 battle for your viewing pleasure. This comes courtesy of BimmerBoost member LostMarine who is the camera car with his supercharged DCT E92 M3 running the ESS VT1-535 kit with a higher boost pulley and meth. The white E90 M3 belongs to BimmerBoost member akh23456 also being a DCT car but running an Active Autowerke Stage 2+ setup with a bigger blower and meth. The final car is running the ESS VT2-600 supercharger kit with a catless exhaust.


      Now, the Active Autowerke car puts a hurting on Lost Marine's ESS-VT1 setup. It straight up dusts him there is no easy way to say it. That is fine considering he is running the lowest power kit from ESS and it has no intercooler. What is fairly surprising is how well he does against the ESS VT2-600 setup, losing, but putting up a very good fight until the VT2-600 slowly pulls up top. We are guessing that VT2-600 owner is going to be looking into meth very quickly.

      No transmission or shift excuses in this video with all M3's having the dual clutch transmission. All cars are supposedly on 93 octane but you never know. We do not get to see the Active Autowerke car run the ESS VT2-600 setup but it's not difficult to come to the realization that he would make easy work of it. That is one very quick M3 and we would like to get the full specs on the upgraded blower it is running as soon as possible. Very nice races, enjoy.

      @LostMarine @akh23456

      This article was originally published in forum thread: AA Stg2+ E90 M3 Vs ESS VT1535 w/Meth E92 M3 Vs ESS VT2600 E92 M3- All DCT started by LostMarine View original post
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      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I don't know how I missed this. May I have the specs please? Why wasn't this blower used to begin with?

        Also do they run the boost Akash is running?
        Sticky,

        Akash and all of our stage 2 kits are now using the Hks 8555 blower. ( This is still our 625 kit)

        Why didn't we use it before? Well it simply was not readily available.

        Why did we switch?

        The 8555 just makes a tad more power up top where the older blower would taper at redline.

        Is a level 3 coming?

        It is very possible in the near future.

        Is a level 4 Coming?

        Its already here but is not forsale and requires a built engine. 700+ hp and more mid range than anyone else on the market can be expected.
      1. Mike@VAC's Avatar
        Mike@VAC -
        I love this thread and video. @akh23456 = beast!

        @Sticky you may remember we installed the new blower on Akash's car as soon as it was available (along with painting the manifold, brakes etc) No games, the unit really look the same (we thought we were sent the wrong unit -haha) but it obviously works Click here to enlarge
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        Is a level 3 coming?

        It is very possible in the near future.

        Is a level 4 Coming?

        Its already here but is not forsale and requires a built engine. 700+ hp and more mid range than anyone else on the market can be expected.
        This is what i'm talking about. No offense Andrew and i don't want to sound like a dick. I'm a huge AA fan but i want to be honest here. AA isn't like what it used to be. Nowadays AA seems like a normal tuner like ESS, VF and others whereas in older days, we used to see big things from it that nobody else had. I mean AA had big things like turbo kits, sc kits for almost all cars etc... where no body else had in that time.

        I want to see low comp S65 with a big SC from AA. I want to see a single turbo N54. I want to see SC'd S85 with big numbers. Hopefully you got my point.
        Again the only reason i'm saying this is just because i like AA. Now this stage 4 S65 is a huge step in the right direction. Big power is the way to go Click here to enlarge

        BTW one question. I know a S65 swapped E36 with a claimed AA kit. Do you know anything about this?
      1. akh23456's Avatar
        akh23456 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I don't know how I missed this. May I have the specs please? Why wasn't this blower used to begin with?

        Also do they run the boost Akash is running?
        From what i know now all the stage 2 + are running the same setup as me for sc wise i don't know about other mods.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        @LostMarine Great video bro, this is why I mess with you. NO BS, just runs and real results... Kudo's to each car, I know the area and love those tunnels. The other side of the bridge I thought was bumpy but I appear to be wrong LOL.

        You got walked hard by the AA car but still impressive that you held where you did. The ESS car however causes me to laugh a bit as I feel like a custom tune may keep you up front. The bigger question in my head is can you upgrade to a FMIC, I would think something custom built would make much faster. I'd love to see you with a FMIC and tuned I think you walk the 600 car and sit on the AA car's tail.

        @akh23456 Should you be in the Central or Northen NJ are I'd like a taste when the FRC is complete.
        i might be up next week i'll shot you my number.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by longboarder Click here to enlarge
        Great vids guys. Curious on the run against Akash, what MPH/RPM did the roll-on take place? The big takeaway is how the AA car pulls so hard instantaneously. I don't know much about the AA/HKS blower but it must be making a lot more mid-range boost if the run started at say, 4,500 rpm. It would be interesting to see a boost graph of that blower overlayed against a boost graph from the Vortech making similar top-end boost. I guess the real match is Akash vs an ESS 600/625/650 with meth making the same top end boost. That would be cool to see.

        Out here on the West Coast some of you will be attending the Shift-S3ctor Airstrip Event in November. I will be there with an ESS 600 + catless + progressive meth and I would love to run other supercharged M3's. We have mostly ESS and VF here but I'm sure there has to be an AA blown M3 in Cali.
        i dont remember the speed i think somewhere between 40-60 i was in 3rd gear i believe for both runs but i could be wrong.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
        I love this thread and video. @akh23456 = beast!

        @Sticky you may remember we installed the new blower on Akash's car as soon as it was available (along with painting the manifold, brakes etc) No games, the unit really look the same (we thought we were sent the wrong unit -haha) but it obviously works Click here to enlarge
        lol i remember you calling me Mike about that lol. I love the paint job its amazing.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        This is what i'm talking about. No offense Andrew and i don't want to sound like a dick. I'm a huge AA fan but i want to be honest here. AA isn't like what it used to be. Nowadays AA seems like a normal tuner like ESS, VF and others whereas in older days, we used to see big things from it that nobody else had. I mean AA had big things like turbo kits, sc kits for almost all cars etc... where no body else had in that time.

        I want to see low comp S65 with a big SC from AA. I want to see a single turbo N54. I want to see SC'd S85 with big numbers. Hopefully you got my point.
        Again the only reason i'm saying this is just because i like AA. Now this stage 4 S65 is a huge step in the right direction. Big power is the way to go Click here to enlarge

        BTW one question. I know a S65 swapped E36 with a claimed AA kit. Do you know anything about this?

        I know i might do a crazy build in the winter maybe with VAC and Active.
      1. prodigymb's Avatar
        prodigymb -
        Here is a video of a 2.3L stock turbo evo beating both cars and the 600 car beating LM by 2 cars, also the view from the back is the first roll where LM gets the hit and 600 car passes him around 130-140mph. Its certainly not much faster then LM as they sit and it makes perfect sense he's running a 575 pulley and Meth and saved him self 5gs !! good call LM. hes down about 30whp which will not be a drastic difference in a roll race.

        ALSO Note : the 600 does have high flow cats, its not catless like LM.

      1. 600whp S4's Avatar
        600whp S4 -
        damn so what would a gintani kit do against these cars?


        That evo is probably only making about 420awhp
      1. prodigymb's Avatar
        prodigymb -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
        damn so what would a gintani kit do against these cars?


        That evo is probably only making about 420awhp
        Evo is a 2.3L E85 car though so it spools very quick and pulls away quick. probably 420-450whp
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Interesting to watch these runs and results... Its seems these kits are all over the place in terms of pulley diameters and results for meth vs. non meth. Or intercooled vs. meth and so on...
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Interesting to watch these runs and results... Its seems these kits are all over the place in terms of pulley diameters and results for meth vs. non meth. Or intercooled vs. meth and so on...
        The pulley stuff gives me a headache. So confusing.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by prodigymb Click here to enlarge
        Here is a video of a 2.3L stock turbo evo beating both cars and the 600 car beating LM by 2 cars, also the view from the back is the first roll where LM gets the hit and 600 car passes him around 130-140mph. Its certainly not much faster then LM as they sit and it makes perfect sense he's running a 575 pulley and Meth and saved him self 5gs !! good call LM. hes down about 30whp which will not be a drastic difference in a roll race.ALSO Note : the 600 does have high flow cats, its not catless like LM.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p69RUV81Pp8
        there she is! Been waiting for that video.Good call on the exhaust, I forgot he had high flow cats, ill update the video description, but can't change the video itself.I thought he didn't catch up until around 150, but I could be wrong, I can't see the vie too clearly.That EVO is pretty Damn fast, faster than I anticipated for sure.It's clear the 600 kit is faster/making more power. But racing is a detail oriented sport, and experience is huge factor.I'm just glad we can all have fun without the BS involved.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by longboarder Click here to enlarge
        Great vids guys. Curious on the run against Akash, what MPH/RPM did the roll-on take place? The big takeaway is how the AA car pulls so hard instantaneously. I don't know much about the AA/HKS blower but it must be making a lot more mid-range boost if the run started at say, 4,500 rpm. It would be interesting to see a boost graph of that blower overlayed against a boost graph from the Vortech making similar top-end boost. I guess the real match is Akash vs an ESS 600/625/650 with meth making the same top end boost. That would be cool to see. Out here on the West Coast some of you will be attending the Shift-S3ctor Airstrip Event in November. I will be there with an ESS 600 + catless + progressive meth and I would love to run other supercharged M3's. We have mostly ESS and VF here but I'm sure there has to be an AA blown M3 in Cali.
        All the runs were a 3rd gear roll for all cars, from 40-50mph start.The ER roll on event is coming around here shortly, dates TBD, but all these cars, and many more are encouraged and welcome to attend. No ESS cars were present for the last one, but AA and Gintani were. Im sure that will change, and more will attend now
      1. BrenM3's Avatar
        BrenM3 -
        Thats a td05 9.8 hotside evo8 turbo? Umm. You sure its not a stock "frame" red or green. I think bolted stroked its still looking at 420awhp no? Ive done a few.
      1. prodigymb's Avatar
        prodigymb -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
        Thats a td05 9.8 hotside evo8 turbo? Umm. You sure its not a stock "frame" red or green. I think bolted stroked its still looking at 420awhp no? Ive done a few.
        i believe its 10.5 frame Evo 8 MR turbo. Stock for sure. Motor just got buitl so he has slowly been upping the power on it for break in period and sorting through other issues before slapping a large charger on it. yeah 420-440whp id say and good torque.

      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by flipm3 Click here to enlarge
        Andrew should definitely start up a new thread on here explaining the latest kits their offer.
        He can't do that here.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by flipm3 Click here to enlarge
        Here's a dyno that Andrew@ActiveAutowerke posted on another forum. Of their latest Stage 2 kit. It is running exactly the same spec as akh23456. It has the newer GTS5555 and I assume same boost.
        Interesting. I'm going to guess that isn't the same boost though.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
        I love this thread and video. @akh23456 = beast!

        @Sticky you may remember we installed the new blower on Akash's car as soon as it was available (along with painting the manifold, brakes etc) No games, the unit really look the same (we thought we were sent the wrong unit -haha) but it obviously works Click here to enlarge
        Yes he made a thread on it but I don't think we saw a chart regarding the difference it made especially at the boost he is running it at.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by longboarder Click here to enlarge
        I will be there with an ESS 600 + catless + progressive meth and I would love to run other supercharged M3's.
        I'm trying to make it. Would be great if we could run.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        Is a level 3 coming?

        It is very possible in the near future.

        Is a level 4 Coming?

        Its already here but is not forsale and requires a built engine. 700+ hp and more mid range than anyone else on the market can be expected.
        With what blowers? The HKS unit doesn't have much more headroom from the specs I have seen.

        Why is the Level 4 here but not for sale? Until I see a graph I have to respectfully disagree with you regarding more mid-range than anyone else on the market. Either way, would love to see some things from this Level 4. Maybe we could arrange a comparison between my car and this one which I'm sure everyone would love to see.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        This is what i'm talking about. No offense Andrew and i don't want to sound like a dick. I'm a huge AA fan but i want to be honest here. AA isn't like what it used to be. Nowadays AA seems like a normal tuner like ESS, VF and others whereas in older days, we used to see big things from it that nobody else had. I mean AA had big things like turbo kits, sc kits for almost all cars etc... where no body else had in that time.

        I want to see low comp S65 with a big SC from AA. I want to see a single turbo N54. I want to see SC'd S85 with big numbers. Hopefully you got my point.
        Again the only reason i'm saying this is just because i like AA. Now this stage 4 S65 is a huge step in the right direction. Big power is the way to go Click here to enlarge

        BTW one question. I know a S65 swapped E36 with a claimed AA kit. Do you know anything about this?
        Come on man, you don't make their business model.

        They never did a turbo "kit" for the E46 M3 they were one-off builds.

        The approach they are taking with their SC kits is the right one. Let others worry about N54 turbo upgrades. They can't just do big investments on multiple platforms to satisfy curiosity.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Interesting to watch these runs and results... Its seems these kits are all over the place in terms of pulley diameters and results for meth vs. non meth. Or intercooled vs. meth and so on...
        Yes the specs will be all over the place. That is why everyone just needs to run at the best their setup can do.
      1. akh23456's Avatar
        akh23456 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        The pulley stuff gives me a headache. So confusing.
        lol i gotta agree with you for the other kits...I know i got a new pulley with 8555 blower and had the same pulley on my 8550 from day one.