• Panamera GTS and Panamera Turbo S comparison, naturally aspirated Porsche V8 versus turbo Porsche V8

      Now this is obviously a mismatch but still cool to see. The Panamera Turbo S has a 550 horsepower 4.8 liter Twin Turbo V8 routed through a dual clutch transmission to all four wheels. The Panamera GTS has a 430 horsepower 4.8 liter naturally aspirated V8 that also is routed through a dual clutch transmission to all four wheels. Obviously the Turbo S model is going to be much faster but it is interesting to see just by how much.


      Well, the Panamera Turbo S gets to 60 miles per hour in 3.7 seconds and through the 1/4 mile in 11.9 seconds at 117.2 miles per hour. The Panamera GTS takes 4.1 seconds to get to 60 miles per hour and goes through the 1/4 mile in 12.5 seconds at 108.2 miles per hour. Certainly a respectable showing for the GTS all motor.

      Is a little over a half second and almost 10 miles per hour in the 1/4 mile worth the roughly $60,000 price difference? Not in our opinion. In our opinion one should get a used Panamera Turbo for cheaper than both, tune it, and destroy both of these cars for far less money. Let's be honest, one is just paying for horsepower here with the way the Panamera models are slotted in the lineup. Panamera Turbo S performance can be had for far less money. Is the "Turbo S" on the back worth the extra money?



      Porsche Panamera Turbo S Porsche Panamera GTS
      0-30 (sec): 1.4 1.4
      0-45 (sec): 2.3 2.5
      0-60 (sec): 3.7 4.1
      0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 3.5 3.9
      0-75 (sec): 5.2 6.0
      1/4-mile (sec @ mph): 11.9 @ 117.2 12.5 @ 108.2
      30-0 (ft): 29 28
      60-0 (ft): 112 110
      Skid Pad Lateral Accel (g): 0.96 0.96
      Slalom: 68.9 68.6

      Vehicle: 2012 Porsche Panamera Turbo S
      Odometer: 864
      Date: 8-23-2011
      Driver: Chris Walton
      Price: $173,200 (Base)

      Specifications:
      Drive Type: All-wheel drive
      Transmission Type: Seven-speed automatic
      Engine Type: Longitudinal, turbocharged V8
      Displacement (cc/cu-in): 4,806/293
      Redline (rpm): 6,500
      Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 550 @ 6,000
      Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 553 (590 with overboost)
      Brake Type (front): Vented discs with six-piston fixed calipers
      Brake Type (rear): Vented discs with four-piston fixed calipers
      Suspension Type (front): Independent double wishbones, adaptive air suspension
      Suspension Type (rear): independent multilink, adaptive air suspension
      Tire Size (front): 255/40ZR20 (101Y)
      Tire Size (rear): 295/35 ZR20 (105Y)
      Tire Brand: Michelin
      Tire Model: Pilot Sport PS2
      Tire Type: Summer performance
      As Tested Curb Weight (lb): 4,414

      Test Results:
      Acceleration
      0-30 (sec): 1.4 (1.9 w/TC on)
      0-45 (sec): 2.3 (3.0 w/TC on)
      0-60 (sec): 3.7 (4.4 w/TC on)
      0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 3.5 (4.0 w/TC on)
      0-75 (sec): 5.2 (5.9 w/TC on)
      1/4-Mile (sec @ mph): 11.9 @ 117.2 (12.2 @ 117.5 w/TC on)

      Braking
      30-0 (ft): 29
      60-0 (ft): 112

      Handling
      Slalom (mph): 68.9 (66.7 w/TC on)
      Skid Pad Lateral Acceleration (g): 0.96 (0.95 w/TC on)
      Db @ Idle: 45.8
      Db @ Full Throttle: 77
      Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 65


      Acceleration:
      What can I say but I was essentially along for the carnival ride. I just whack the throttle and the car does the rest. Launch mode spins tires briefly, then reroutes power. Short-shifts 1-2 but it all works so fast and so well that it's hard to sort out what just happened. Upshifts are predictably fast and a little harsh.


      Braking:
      Zero drama, zero dive, zero fade, run after run. Firm pedal and arrow-straight.


      Handling:

      Skid pad: Very little ESC intrusion (ever-so-slight throttle closure) allows rear to step out slightly — highly receptive to throttle position to alter under-oversteer. No need to move hands; just throttle. With ESC off, a little more tail-out and a little more steering input required.


      Slalom
      : (Run in Sport +) Wow, what a sedan! It feels like a two-seat sports car. Turn-in is a little lazy, but the car takes a set immediately and remains ready to spring back in transition. More steering dial than expected, but so, so precise. Best run with ESC off allowed me to drive it like a rally car (lift-stab) to rotate and exit at WOT!


      Vehicle: 2013 Porsche Panamera GTS
      Odometer: 864
      Date: 7-17-2012
      Driver: Chris Walton
      Price: $111,975 (Base)

      Specifications:
      Drive Type: All-wheel drive
      Transmission Type: Seven-speed automatic
      Engine Type: Longitudinal, naturally aspirated V8
      Displacement (cc/cu-in): 4,806/293
      Redline (rpm): 7,200
      Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 430 @ 6,700
      Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 384 @3,500
      Brake Type (front): 15.4-inch one-piece ventilated cast-iron discs with six-piston fixed calipers
      Brake Type (rear): 13-inch one-piece ventilated cast-iron discs with four-piston fixed calipers
      Suspension Type (front): Double-wishbone control arms, air springs, dampers with active electronic adjustment
      Suspension Type (rear): Multilink control arms, air springs, dampers with active electronic adjustment
      Tire Size (front): 255/40ZR20 (101Y)
      Tire Size (rear): 295/35 ZR20 (105Y)
      Tire Brand: Michelin
      Tire Model: Pilot Sport PS2
      Tire Type: Summer performance
      As Tested Curb Weight (lb): 4,362


      Test Results:

      Acceleration
      0-30 (sec): 1.4 (2.1 w/TC on)
      0-45 (sec): 2.5 (3.4 w/TC on)
      0-60 (sec): 4.1 (5.2 w/TC on)
      0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 3.9 (4.9 w/TC on)
      0-75 (sec): 6.0 (7.2 w/TC on)
      1/4-Mile (sec @ mph): 12.5 @ 108.2 (13.3 @ 105.6 w/TC on)

      Braking
      30-0 (ft): 28
      60-0 (ft): 110

      Handling
      Slalom (mph): 68.6 (67.8 w/TC on)
      Skid Pad Lateral Acceleration (g): 0.96 ( 0.96 w/TC on )
      Db @ Idle: 50.5
      Db @ Full Throttle: 77.0
      Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 64.5


      Comments:


      Acceleration:
      The Panamera GTS is no slouch in default Drive mode. Whacking the throttle to the floor with no performance-enhancing buttons selected gets the job done quickly and very smoothly. Selecting Sport Plus, shutting off PSM and engaging Launch Control unleashes the beast with tire-spinning, short-shifting 1st and banging off upshifts with measurably more authority and harshness. This engine is so quick to rev and it's fascinating to watch the tach needle jump down (and up for downshifts) with an almost digital precision — no sloppy throttle map here.


      Braking:
      It required a few stops to bring the big composite brakes up to temp for the shortest stopping distance, but the behavior never changed: Flat, straight, quiet and with a firm pedal.


      Handling:

      Skid pad: With PSM off, the Panamera GTS was very sensitive to throttle input, and I could easily adjust the rear slip angle and resulting heading with my right foot alone. PSM on allowed almost the same amount of gentle oversteer, but managed to coax a slightly quicker lap with selective brake applications.


      Slalom
      : Unreal. How Porsche engineered a car of this size and weight to feel like a compact sport sedan is beyond me. Crisp turn-in, zero yaw delay, precise steering, gentle oversteer and predictable reactions when going to the throttle all add up to an amazing and memorable slalom exercise. Nearly the same freedom allowed with PSM on, but I noticed it most at the exit where it disallowed throttle until the steering wheel was more or less straight. Still, it feels like a car half its size and weight.
      This article was originally published in forum thread: Panamera GTS and Panamera Turbo S comparison, naturally aspirated Porsche V8 versus turbo Porsche V8 started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 6 Comments
      1. Remonster's Avatar
        Remonster -
        The Panamera S is one of the best cars I have ever driven and my friend's car has the sports exhaust which is pure music. It's unreal how fast these things are, especially the Turbo S's 0-60 time, but I agree if you're a numbers kind of guy just get the regular Turbo and get a tune for it. The S has different turbos with lighter (I want to say titanium?) impellers so it spools more quickly and it has upgraded intercoolers among other things but you can easily surpass its power levels with a tuned Turbo.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
        The S has different turbos with lighter (I want to say titanium?) impellers so it spools more quickly and it has upgraded intercoolers among other things but you can easily surpass its power levels with a tuned Turbo.
        Yep. And if you want to get crazy you will upgrade the turbos anyway. But Porsche does at least give you upgraded components not just more boost.
      1. singletrack's Avatar
        singletrack -
        I've always liked the Panamera - their progressive styling inside and out, and their performance. A friend of mine just picked one up actually.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        I really like the Panamera as well.
      1. Yukohama's Avatar
        Yukohama -
        this would make for a great family hauler
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yukohama Click here to enlarge
        this would make for a great family hauler
        Just a great car period.