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    • ESS-VT2 625 supercharged E92 manual M3 takes on the new F10 M5 in a roll on race

      Supercharged M3's are definitely quick cars as seen here. The new F10 M5 is no slouch itself but in stock form it is about a 122 mile per hour trap car whereas the M3 should be in the mid to upper 120's. We do not have dynojet numers for the new F10 M5 yet but we expect it to be somewhere in the 480 wheel horsepower range. This ESS kit should be in the mid to upper 500's depending on pulley the owner ran. Impressive result for the M3 considering it is a 6-speed manual. Less weight plus more power makes for a beatdown.




      This article was originally published in forum thread: ESS M3 VT2-625 vs F10 M5 started by ERM324 View original post
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      1. nismo370's Avatar
        nismo370 -
        Ahahaba LM bout to get raped by that vette lol. I keed I keed.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        its gonna be a good run....sledgehammers z06 is no slouch at all....it can keep up with the caddy from what i saw
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        its gonna be a good run....sledgehammers z06 is no slouch at all....it can keep up with the caddy from what i saw
        You know whats messed up bro... That day I was still learning the car and always a gear to high when I started to chase you. Then I figured out the gears and it makes a big difference LOL.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nismo370 Click here to enlarge
        Ahahaba LM bout to get raped by that vette lol. I keed I keed.
        You're a fool... I love you though LOL
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        You know whats messed up bro... That day I was still learning the car and always a gear to high when I started to chase you. Then I figured out the gears and it makes a big difference LOL.
        well you know where i am....ill be back saturday...car goes in for its upgrades on the 29th and prob wont hit the road again until after its tuned on the 18th
      1. nismo370's Avatar
        nismo370 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        You're a fool... I love you though LOL
        Lmfao hahaha jus stating facts.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        well you know where i am....ill be back saturday...car goes in for its upgrades on the 29th and prob wont hit the road again until after its tuned on the 18th
        Hoping to do the clutch on mines next week. Running the Monster 11" race/ceramic setup... Thinking seriously of staying NA and doing heads/cams and gears to be a serious beast LOL
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Hoping to do the clutch on mines next week. Running the Monster 11" race/ceramic setup... Thinking seriously of staying NA and doing heads/cams and gears to be a serious beast LOL

        nice...i cant wait to see it
      1. prodigymb's Avatar
        prodigymb -
        i have access to a 6MT ESS VT2-625 and a DCT VT2-600....

        DCT is faster on supercharged cars even with good driver....FACT.

        my buddy has a 2011 6MT and he beat a 2011 DCT from a roll... both stock E92 Ms. go figure.
      1. ERM324's Avatar
        ERM324 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by prodigymb Click here to enlarge
        i have access to a 6MT ESS VT2-625 and a DCT VT2-600....

        DCT is faster on supercharged cars even with good driver....FACT.

        my buddy has a 2011 6MT and he beat a 2011 DCT from a roll... both stock E92 Ms. go figure.
        Thank you, on the supercharged platform theres a greater difference in performance between the two
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        When I raced Steve bone stock we actually had around the same power and I was heavier. He went 12.6 at 113 and I went 12.6 at 112. Despite the same 60 and him out trapping me a little the et was still identical. I'm not a fan of dct and feel it provides no gain against a driver that can shift. With that said everyone thinks they can shift fast but in reality more like 20-25 percent actually can.
      1. Blaizon's Avatar
        Blaizon -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        How did we get back to DCT 6MT and that whole argument... Its pretty evident that when left to its own devices a DCT or ANY automatic style trans is more consistent than a manual trans. My opinion is that this is an issue of preference, being able to rev match and shift on your own is more enjoyable to some than playing with paddles. So moving beyond the speed difference my opinion is that a well driven 6MT is MORE fun than a DCT, giving more driver gratification. Others will feel differently thats the fun of the hobby.

        In the meantime I am calling out @LostMarine for a run, get yourself to Central NJ and run the Vette Sunday if you have time. We'll tape it for fun and we can show a 6mt Vette vs a DCT M3. Should be fun
        @ultimateendz @Blaizon if they can come out to hang as well lets have some runs.
        Sunday looks pretty good for me. Not sure if I'll be able to run though, I'm getting excessive wastegate rattle. May be time for some upgraded twins Click here to enlarge
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        In the meantime I am calling out @LostMarine for a run, get yourself to Central NJ and run the Vette Sunday if you have time. We'll tape it for fun and we can show a 6mt Vette vs a DCT M3. Should be fun
        @ultimateendz @Blaizon if they can come out to hang as well lets have some runs.
        i dont think sunday will work, tomorrow maybe?
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by prodigymb Click here to enlarge
        i have access to a 6MT ESS VT2-625 and a DCT VT2-600....

        DCT is faster on supercharged cars even with good driver....FACT.

        my buddy has a 2011 6MT and he beat a 2011 DCT from a roll... both stock E92 Ms. go figure.
        then its not a fact.. again, $#@!ty drivers are not the standard measurement. get someone that can bang them through the gears, and it will be equal. MAYBE, MAYBE a car length. but people throw all kinds of excuses out when a "supercharged" "supercar" "90000 RWHP" "ultimate" car gets whooped by a "lesser" car
      1. ERM324's Avatar
        ERM324 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        but people throw all kinds of excuses out when a "supercharged" "supercar" "90000 RWHP" "ultimate" car gets whooped by a "lesser" car
        when has a "supercar" m3 been whooped by a "lesser" m3? im lost here..only time I made an excuse was when sal@autocouture got whooped by a stock ctsv and my excuse was that it was a 6speed, and then I ran the very same ctsv with a DCT and then beat him and outrapped him by 15+mph? so obviously I think I proved my point there as well..but ok whatever you say
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        When I raced Steve bone stock we actually had around the same power and I was heavier. He went 12.6 at 113 and I went 12.6 at 112. Despite the same 60 and him out trapping me a little the et was still identical. I'm not a fan of dct and feel it provides no gain against a driver that can shift. With that said everyone thinks they can shift fast but in reality more like 20-25 percent actually can.
        right, you banged through the gears, the 6spd M car i ran could bang them.. when he wasnt missing Click here to enlarge but he did bang them against the stock dct car.. so if the DCT was sooooooooooo superior, it would have showed up then and there.. in a controlled environment, set start gear, set start speed, set start time, traction not an issue
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        i dont think sunday will work, tomorrow maybe?
        Lots of rain on and off thru Sunday... Thats the first sunny and dry day. Figured we could do some clean runs with no issues weather/dampness wise.
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Not looking to argue, as this has been beaten to death, but if there is no loss of tractive force - how can a manual be faster?

        Meaning - as long as the clutch is pushed in (tractive force is lost) - how could it be faster no matter how quick the driver shifts?

        I could be missing something, but honestly now am unsure as LM seems pretty confident about this. Click here to enlarge

        Is there a loss of tractive force contrary to what BMW says? (http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ivelogic1.html) or is it more about the different gearing?

        Just curious what I am missing.

        Thanks.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Lots of rain on and off thru Sunday... Thats the first sunny and dry day. Figured we could do some clean runs with no issues weather/dampness wise.
        good point, we'll figure something out


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        Not looking to argue, as this has been beaten to death, but if there is no loss of tractive force - how can a manual be faster?

        Meaning - as long as the clutch is pushed in (tractive force is lost) - how could it be faster no matter how quick the driver shifts?

        I could be missing something, but honestly now am unsure as LM seems pretty confident about this. Click here to enlarge

        Is there a loss of tractive force contrary to what BMW says? (http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ivelogic1.html) or is it more about the different gearing?

        Just curious what I am missing.

        Thanks.
        Im not saying its faster, but with every aspect taken into account, its not slower. and if it is, its NOWHERE near what people claim it to be. outlandish claims of 10 mph advantage once FI, and 3-5 N/A.. maybe 1 mph on an avg driver, and nill on a good one
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXah9L5ShtI

        Race #4 shows you what I mean clearly as well. Doesnt get better than that, clean run and they both start at EXACTLY the same time. Last run the 6mt gets an ever so slight jump and the dct comes door to door and puts a nose out....like I said, if you had the choice between the two cars in the vid to pick your telling me youd get the 6mt? The DCT is clearly faster, even if its a slightly between the two stock cars.
        didnt realize you posted this lol. it clearly shows that its not faster when it started to get pulled on.


        and the video above it, the MT has 4.10's. of course it loses highway power Click here to enlarge