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    • Controversy: Is the SLS AMG faster than the 458 Italia stock for stock?

      A debate has been raging on the BenzBoost forums and we decided it was finally time to put together information on these two cars to help sort out the video below. There are three races and the SLS gets the jump in the first two. In the first race the SLS is lined up ahead and gets on the gas first pulling. In the second video a mix-up in the honks has the SLS jump again leading the 458 to have to run it down which it can not. The third race is the cleanest with the SLS still pulling away and rather quickly.


      Now, this has led to people from each side yelling and screaming at each other. Here is what we know, the SLS dyno's more on a dynojet stock. There are variables involved of course but based on the graphs we have thus far the 458 baselines around 450 wheel and the SLS around 488 wheel. Advantage, SLS.

      458:

      SLS:


      So power favors the SLS but what about the weight? Well, Road and Track weighed the 458 Italia at 3490 pounds. The SLS AMG comes in at 3795 pounds. 300 pounds in favor of the 458 Italia although this is mitigated more from a roll than from a stop.

      This may help explain why the 458 Italia gets a better elapsed time in the 1/4 mile versus the SLS stock for stock. It's rear engine launch is also a large factor helping it get off the line better. Going back to Road and Track, the numbers are 11.0@128.5 versus 11.6@124.3 for the Italia and SLS respectively. 0-120 numbers favor the Italia by 1.2 second stock for stock, not a small difference.

      Shift speed has been stated to favor the 458 with the SLS at 100ms to its 40ms. This disparity seems too large for the same technology from the same supplier, Getrag. As a matter of fact, they are basically the same unit. So is there really that large of a disparity here? We don't think so.

      So how do you explain the outcome of the video? The only explanation is that the SLS is not stock. Logically, this is the only conclusion one can reach to explain how the SLS leaves the 458 the way it does. The weight is not as large of a factor once the cars are moving but even so we should see the 458 slowly pull not the SLS jumping out and destroying the 458. A stock SLS simply is not capable of it based on the data presented here. The stock claims are likely misleading and for SLS owners to boast. This is why we prefer track numbers for support but even without them a video can still be broken down. If we are incorrect, someone do this same race with two stock cars and prove us wrong. One thing is certain, both are fast cars and examples of some of the best vehicles available today.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: SLS AMG vs Ferrari 458 started by Jacob502 View original post
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      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Whatever makes you happy dude!
        What would make me happy would be removing your teeth one punch at a time. Click here to enlarge
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        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        What would make me happy would be removing your teeth one punch at a time. Click here to enlarge
        Come do it tough guy.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        I Just learned something.

        I really didn't understand why I got banned. I contacted the admins at MBworld. Scott showed me an image of a harsh message being sent from my account to a forum member. The message was never written by me. Somebody had access to my account. What is more surprising is that LZH immediately posted about my ban in here. Let me see what is going on. Something is not right. I am working with Scott to see if we can uphold my ban.
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        SLS AMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        I Just learned something.

        I really didn't understand why I got banned. I contacted the admins at MBworld. Scott showed me an image of a harsh message being sent from my account to a forum member. The message was never written by me. Somebody had access to my account. What is more surprising is that LZH immediately posted about my ban in here. Let me see what is going on. Something is not right. I am working with Scott to see if we can uphold my ban.
        I hope everything gets resolved.
        And I hope that the idiot who stole your password and accessed your account gets what he deserves
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        I Just learned something.

        I really didn't understand why I got banned. I contacted the admins at MBworld. Scott showed me an image of a harsh message being sent from my account to a forum member. The message was never written by me. Somebody had access to my account. What is more surprising is that LZH immediately posted about my ban in here. Let me see what is going on. Something is not right. I am working with Scott to see if we can uphold my ban.
        What is surprising about me posting it here ?? You made reference to the fact that I was banned from that place, now, you are too!!! Or, are you implying that I had something to do with it ?? HAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a good one!!!

        You have no credibility Jacob. You lie. What, did someone hack your account ?? How did they get access to your account without your password ? If that in fact happened then you should ask yourself, "Why?" You think it's because people like you ?? LOL
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        What is surprising about me posting it here ?? You made reference to the fact that I was banned from that place, now, you are too!!! Or, are you implying that I had something to do with it ?? HAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a good one!!!

        You have no credibility Jacob. You lie. What, did someone hack your account ?? How did they get access to your account without your password ? If that in fact happened then you should ask yourself, "Why?" You think it's because people like you ?? LOL


        The only liar in here is you. And yes I believe you had something to do with it. Just minutes after my ban, you sent me private messages being all happy about it.

        I should have taken your threat seriously when you said you were going to get me banned at mbworld. You even mentioned there was a decision being made to get me banned.

        I got banned for the wrong reason. Someone hacked into my account. even sticky told me mbworld had security issues.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        The only liar in here is you. And yes I believe you had something to do with it. Just minutes after my ban, you sent me private messages being all happy about it.

        I should have taken your threat seriously when you said you were going to get me banned at mbworld. You even mentioned there was a decision being made to get me banned.

        I got banned for the wrong reason. Someone hacked into my account. even sticky told me mbworld had security issues.
        Dude you are an idiot. The mods at MBW HATE me. I had nothing to do with you being banned - YOU did. I woke up this morning an looked at my computer and saw you had been banned over there. So not only are you a delusional liar who can't take responsibility for his actions, but you are also a racist little piece of $#@! who just sent me a PM calling me a "JEWISH $#@!" - "HANUKKAH BASTARD" and then this really intelligent line to finish it all off,

        "I HOPE HITLER RESERUCTS FROM THE GRAVE AND SHOOTS YOU"


        Now, go ahead and deny that you said any of that and I will post the PM's here for everyone to see.

        @Sticky - can you give this $#@!ing jerk a timeout please ? This is really getting absurd.
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        Dodger63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Hey Jacob, I just found out the same about you:



        jacob502 http://mbworld.org/forums/images/sta...ser_online.gif

        Banned

        [url]http://mbworld.org/forums/members/169961-jacob502.html[/@ughing-rofl:Click here to enlargeClick here to enlargeClick here to enlargeClick here to enlargeClick here to enlarge
        Wow this is truely terrible news were else are the members of mbworld going to get all of jacobs technical advice and knowledge. Thank goodness he is still able to post here
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        Wow this is truely terrible news were else are the members of mbworld going to get all of jacobs technical advice and knowledge. Thank goodness he is still able to post here
        Go kill yourself dude. I will be back @ mbworld.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Dude you are an idiot. The mods at MBW HATE me. I had nothing to do with you being banned - YOU did. I woke up this morning an looked at my computer and saw you had been banned over there. So not only are you a delusional liar who can't take responsibility for his actions, but you are also a racist little piece of $#@! who just sent me a PM calling me a "JEWISH $#@!" - "HANUKKAH BASTARD" and then this really intelligent line to finish it all off,

        "I HOPE HITLER RESERUCTS FROM THE GRAVE AND SHOOTS YOU"


        Now, go ahead and deny that you said any of that and I will post the PM's here for everyone to see.

        @Sticky - can you give this $#@!ing jerk a timeout please ? This is really getting absurd.

        Looooooool. Talk about whos being a child. Guy keeps insulting me in every thread and every private message. One comment from and I got him heartbroken.


        Awwwwweww....do you feel bad little luke? Did I hurt your feelings?

        Looooool. What a douche
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Oh and speaking of advice @Dodger63. One of your fanboys actually listened to my advice. He removed the worthless MHP headers and switched to MBH and gained 40 RWHPClick here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Getting sick of threads being ruined. If I need to I will set it up so you guys are forced to ignore each other. Enough. Closing.