• Controversy: Is the SLS AMG faster than the 458 Italia stock for stock?

                    
      		   
      Published on 05-26-2012 01:17 AM
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      A debate has been raging on the BenzBoost forums and we decided it was finally time to put together information on these two cars to help sort out the video below. There are three races and the SLS gets the jump in the first two. In the first race the SLS is lined up ahead and gets on the gas first pulling. In the second video a mix-up in the honks has the SLS jump again leading the 458 to have to run it down which it can not. The third race is the cleanest with the SLS still pulling away and rather quickly.


      Now, this has led to people from each side yelling and screaming at each other. Here is what we know, the SLS dyno's more on a dynojet stock. There are variables involved of course but based on the graphs we have thus far the 458 baselines around 450 wheel and the SLS around 488 wheel. Advantage, SLS.

      458:

      SLS:


      So power favors the SLS but what about the weight? Well, Road and Track weighed the 458 Italia at 3490 pounds. The SLS AMG comes in at 3795 pounds. 300 pounds in favor of the 458 Italia although this is mitigated more from a roll than from a stop.

      This may help explain why the 458 Italia gets a better elapsed time in the 1/4 mile versus the SLS stock for stock. It's rear engine launch is also a large factor helping it get off the line better. Going back to Road and Track, the numbers are 11.0@128.5 versus 11.6@124.3 for the Italia and SLS respectively. 0-120 numbers favor the Italia by 1.2 second stock for stock, not a small difference.

      Shift speed has been stated to favor the 458 with the SLS at 100ms to its 40ms. This disparity seems too large for the same technology from the same supplier, Getrag. As a matter of fact, they are basically the same unit. So is there really that large of a disparity here? We don't think so.

      So how do you explain the outcome of the video? The only explanation is that the SLS is not stock. Logically, this is the only conclusion one can reach to explain how the SLS leaves the 458 the way it does. The weight is not as large of a factor once the cars are moving but even so we should see the 458 slowly pull not the SLS jumping out and destroying the 458. A stock SLS simply is not capable of it based on the data presented here. The stock claims are likely misleading and for SLS owners to boast. This is why we prefer track numbers for support but even without them a video can still be broken down. If we are incorrect, someone do this same race with two stock cars and prove us wrong. One thing is certain, both are fast cars and examples of some of the best vehicles available today.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: SLS AMG vs Ferrari 458 started by Jacob502 View original post
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      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH - 05-18-2012, 12:33 PM
        Im surprised the SLS is that much quicker than the 458.
      1. DBFIU's Avatar
        DBFIU - 05-18-2012, 12:35 PM
        Didnt know the SLS was that quick.
      1. Exeenom's Avatar
        Exeenom - 05-18-2012, 06:54 PM
        Good video, but definitely very strange results (at least to what I've seen here in the U.S.) Click here to enlarge

        February of last year, I attended a private 1/4 mile track rental where we had 1 SLS and 3 458 Italia's that were all bone stock, and the best the SLS could do was 11.78 @ 124 mph while one of the 458 Italia's hit 11.0 @ 127 mph and the other one running a little slower at 11.3 to 11.4 @ 128 mph.

        I'm glad the SLS is becoming a threat out there though.... Click here to enlarge
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG - 05-18-2012, 07:24 PM


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        SLS AMG - 05-18-2012, 07:28 PM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Exeenom Click here to enlarge
        Good video, but definitely very strange results (at least to what I've seen here in the U.S.) Click here to enlarge

        February of last year, I attended a private 1/4 mile track rental where we had 1 SLS and 3 458 Italia's that were all bone stock, and the best the SLS could do was 11.78 @ 124 mph while one of the 458 Italia's hit 11.0 @ 127 mph and the other one running a little slower at 11.3 to 11.4 @ 128 mph.

        I'm glad the SLS is becoming a threat out there though.... Click here to enlarge
        I would like to say that in a 1/4 mile drag race the Ferrari 458 will beat the SLS. From zero acceleration the ferrari has a better launch. But from roll on everything starts to change.

        11.78 sounds not right to me though. Maybe that driver doesn't know how to launch the SLS properly

        If a ferrari 458 makes 11.0 on 1/4 mile, then it might be tuned
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG - 05-18-2012, 07:30 PM
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH - 05-18-2012, 08:08 PM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd6ML...p;feature=plcp

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g8NI...p;feature=plcp

        Exactly what I thought. No way that SLS is beating the 458. The SLS in the OP's video must be tuned.
      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE - 05-18-2012, 11:42 PM
        results dont look right to me either
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 - 05-19-2012, 03:14 AM
        The youtube against the jaguar show diffrent roll-on speed races. Its nothing strange, the SLS spanks the 458 all day.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena - 05-19-2012, 05:42 AM
        Yesterday i went out and did some 60-130's though i hate that game. It was just because to show some people on Ferrari forum some before/after runs with Akrapovic exhaust. With a mix of 100 and 91, (I think around 95 octane) i managed to pull 7,9-8.04 times from the device. Considering that i the altitude was close to 1500 meters from sea level and the car just has 80 km's on it, i believe quicker times can be achieved at lower altitude. I searched and couldn't find anything except a 8.04.

        Now when i compare the data with the video, i don't something reasonable Click here to enlarge

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        If a ferrari 458 makes 11.0 on 1/4 mile, then it might be tuned
        That car was stock Click here to enlarge
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        Sirex63 - 05-19-2012, 06:35 AM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        The youtube against the jaguar show diffrent roll-on speed races. Its nothing strange, the SLS spanks the 458 all day.
        A stock 458 got 12.0 last Thursday @ Yas Drag
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 - 05-19-2012, 07:18 AM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sirex63 Click here to enlarge
        A stock 458 got 12.0 last Thursday @ Yas Drag
        Thank you for clarifying that.


        @Exeenom ;

        A 458 tapping @ 11.0 is defentley a tuned ferrari!
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 - 05-19-2012, 07:21 AM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        Yesterday i went out and did some 60-130's though i hate that game. It was just because to show some people on Ferrari forum some before/after runs with Akrapovic exhaust. With a mix of 100 and 91, (I think around 95 octane) i managed to pull 7,9-8.04 times from the device. Considering that i the altitude was close to 1500 meters from sea level and the car just has 80 km's on it, i believe quicker times can be achieved at lower altitude. I searched and couldn't find anything except a 8.04.

        Now when i compare the data with the video, i don't something reasonable Click here to enlarge


        That car was stock Click here to enlarge
        Excuse me, but what do you drive?
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena - 05-19-2012, 08:33 AM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Excuse me, but what do you drive?
        Sorry, i didn't mention it. a 458 Italia Click here to enlarge

        BTW your car puts down some great numbers. Is it a Weistec M156?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        @Exeenom ;

        A 458 tapping @ 11.0 is defentley a tuned ferrari!
        If we are talking about the 458 that i know which did it in dead 11.0, it's stock. That car has both fastest (132 mph) and quickest (11.0 seconds) record for a stock 458.
        BTW there are not much tuning options for 458 still though Click here to enlarge
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        Jacob502 - 05-19-2012, 09:48 AM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        Sorry, i didn't mention it. a 458 Italia Click here to enlarge

        BTW your car puts down some great numbers. Is it a Weistec M156?
        Yes, did you miss the Weistec logo in the photo?



        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        If we are talking about the 458 that i know which did it in dead 11.0, it's stock. That car has both fastest (132 mph) and quickest (11.0 seconds) record for a stock 458.
        I'm not going to argue with you any furthur in this matter. I know what I am talking about. We have our own Ferrari 458 and we ran it against our own SLS when it was completely stock. The SLS overtook it on all runs. If you say you have a 458, go out and look for a stock SLS and race him from 2nd gear roll on 60 km/hr and you will know what I am talking about.Click here to enlarge
        and just for your info my brother raced a tuned Ferrari 458 runing with ECU+ Capristo Exhust and he violently killed itClick here to enlarge
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        BTW there are not much tuning options for 458 still though Click here to enlarge
        Yes there are, If you are serious, PM me and I will give you some good options. Jimmy Pelka from PP-Performance has a vicious tune for the 458 ItaliaClick here to enlarge
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena - 05-19-2012, 10:25 AM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Yes, did you miss the Weistec logo in the photo?
        Strange. There was no sig pic before. Probably it's from my side, it's not the first that my lap top doesn't show sig pics.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        I'm not going to argue with you any furthur in this matter. I know what I am talking about. We have our own Ferrari 458 and we ran it against our own SLS when it was completely stock. The SLS overtook it on all runs. If you say you have a 458, go out and look for a stock SLS and race him from 2nd gear roll on 60 km/hr and you will know what I am talking about.Click here to enlarge
        and just for your info my brother raced a tuned Ferrari 458 runing with ECU+ Capristo Exhust and he violently killed itClick here to enlarge
        No one is arguing here. It's all good.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Yes there are, If you are serious, PM me and I will give you some good options. Jimmy Pelka from PP-Performance has a vicious tune for the 458 ItaliaClick here to enlarge
        I know whom you are referring to. I really don't trust any tuners in ME. You know better than me that there are some scumbags here stealing money from people. With that being said, i'll probably visit him as i'm in Abu Dhabi right now.Click here to enlarge
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        SLS AMG - 05-19-2012, 12:24 PM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        The youtube against the jaguar show diffrent roll-on speed races. Its nothing strange, the SLS spanks the 458 all day.
        Before I watched the video I knew the results from the beginning.


        Man remember when I murdered that that modded Ferrari 599 Qatar edition running at claimed 690 bhp Click here to enlarge

        And what my SLS is only around 640-650hp. I think most of Ferrari numbers are fake. Even their timeslips. I think they pay to TopGear, MotorTrend and others just to show that their cars are faster. What I see and others see at street racing is different from those magazines.

        Maybe Jeremy Clarkson (TopGear Douchebag) needs some beating for lying Click here to enlarge
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        LZH - 05-19-2012, 01:26 PM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        The youtube against the jaguar show diffrent roll-on speed races. Its nothing strange, the SLS spanks the 458 all day.
        How is the video you posted any different ? Your video is of a roll on race, same as the Jaguar videos. How do you explain the Jaguar videos ??
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        oddjob2021 - 05-19-2012, 01:55 PM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        If you say you have a 458, go out and look for a stock SLS and race him from 2nd gear roll on 60 km/hr and you will know what I am talking about.
        i'm not sure why you have to name the gear to race in, why not just name the speed? see from the OP video, it looked like the ferrari was in its midrange, as was the merc. the merc's torque will kill it. displacement. in the video FR305 posted, the ferrari was in its higher rev range, where it's most potent, as was audible. the jag still took it initially either by jump or torque but the ferrari's top end hp and gearing won the race. hey i don't want to start an argument, your race may have gone the way you explained, i'm just putting a and b together.
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        SLS AMG - 05-19-2012, 04:16 PM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by oddjob2021 Click here to enlarge
        i'm not sure why you have to name the gear to race in, why not just name the speed? see from the OP video, it looked like the ferrari was in its midrange, as was the merc. the merc's torque will kill it. displacement. in the video FR305 posted, the ferrari was in its higher rev range, where it's most potent, as was audible. the jag still took it initially either by jump or torque but the ferrari's top end hp and gearing won the race. hey i don't want to start an argument, your race may have gone the way you explained, i'm just putting a and b together.
        what we really mean is roll on race from 60 km/hr. You could put the gear in the appropriate shift, usually it is second gear from 60 km/hr.
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