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    • Vishnu Tuning E92 335i with FFTEC N54 single turbo hardware + raised boost finally runs a 10 second 1/4 mile pass, underwhelming?

      Vishnu Tuning finally managed to eek out a 10 second pass in their single turbo E92 335i that they were once touting would be in the 9's. After multiple unsuccessful attempts (with driver errors) from Vishnu owner Shiv Pathak he was able to get a high 10 second slip by raising the boost according to his data log and shifting cleanly. Details are scarce as Vishnu did not provide information on the youtube video upload and there also is no exterior view to show the slip actually correlates to the run shown in the video.

      We will give the benefit of the doubt here but with all secrecy and the multiple attempts to get to this point the performance is simply underwhelming for the time and money investment. The car is said to have run 10.8@131. It recently was dyno'd at 627 wheel horsepower by Insideline so these horses are not translating well to the ground. This single turbo offers considerable lag and the top end pull for the sacrifice simply is not there especially compared to existing solutions such as the Rob Beck twin turbo upgrade which offers far greater spool and performance only a few miles per off through the traps but with far greater driveability.

      The previous record was 11.10@127.21 with 19 psi of boost on the RB turbos. These turbos are a much more affordable option that also currently is available. Vishnu claims 23.5 psi of boost for this 10.8@131 mph run. Is it worth the minor top end benefit for the estimated $8500+ plus install? We do not think so and considering the way Vishnu hyped this the results are very underwhelming. The low end torque sacrifice is not being justified with a large top end gain.

      We wish Vishnu luck in the future but for now this is still an experiment and work in progress that is tough to buy both figuratively and literally. There are more affordable options that work better for daily driven N54 vehicles that offer 97% of the performance in practice (as in not just a dyno queen) with less compromises. Not to mention for users to repeat what Vishnu has done here with their own single turbo it will likely be far more difficult as they will not have the option of risking their engine with higher boost and timing advances simply to try to eek out a tenth to squeeze past what already exists and get into the 10's. It may be a record, but it certainly is not impressive considering where the bar was already set with far less horsepower and much more affordable tuning and hardware options.







      This article was originally published in forum thread: Vishnu/FFTEC 10.822 1/4 mile RECORD! started by onesuperboi View original post
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      1. CaptainInsano's Avatar
        CaptainInsano -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by EDM92 Click here to enlarge
        I would think that if you two have a pretty good idea of who it is, then obviously Shiv must know who it is.
        Yeah no doubt.
      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by EDM92 Click here to enlarge
        I would think that if you two have a pretty good idea of who it is, then obviously Shiv must know who it is.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by CaptainInsano Click here to enlarge
        Yeah no doubt.
        Of course Shiv knows who it is since he's most likely working with him to fix the issues. However, not opening stating he has problems and only allowing people to speculate, may still keep him in Shiv's graces. That is all we're hoping for.

        But I'm sure, some one else, Terry comes to mind, would love to get his hands on this car and attempt to tune it with Cobb ATP stacked with JB4.
      1. E90Company's Avatar
        E90Company -
        What's the big secret? If I were a Vishnu single guy, I would be testing RIGHT AWAY. I just don't understand how someone can spend 10G's on a turbo system and not have ANY DATA between 10+ guys that have it. At least do some VBOX runs or something. I don't care if it's "hot" or any of those bs excuses; test so you can compare your results for when it IS cool. Plus, arn't you guys running gigantic FMIC's and meth anyways?! I guess my logic is wrong.... Click here to enlarge
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by CaptainInsano Click here to enlarge
        Ok maybe I overacted a little. You are one of the pioneers here, respect. But you don't think you are enjoying bashing Vishnu camp ppl even a little?
        Come on man, you're a bulldog. You enjoy it Click here to enlarge

        I don't really care about reputation so much, I've got pneumonia right now so I'm stuck in bed with nothing but the internet to keep me company, which is why this has become so entertaining for me.

        Take it easy.

        You dont seem to be able to differentiate between "the camp" and shiv. I LOVE seeing him squirm to come up with excuses, pop in here when he's had enough and say something completely worthless, and know he is steaming, probably punching through computer screens.. which is probably why its taking so long to "fix" the "issues", he has to keep swapping data to new laptops..

        in response to my quotes:
        1 DO you drive your car, or look at it?
        2. "gonna do xyz" seems to be the status quo, is it not, i mean, thats EXACTLY what were are talking about here..
        3. lack of power.. if its only on the dyno, and you cant use t, do you really have it?
        4. I would call it a flop... show me how its not.. I look at it like Obama, we all "hoped" he would do as he says, change for the better.. but those of us that knew better, and dont back him, knew it wouldnt work.. and low and behold.. looks like we were right..
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        Oh $#@!, now we got politics added.
      1. E90Company's Avatar
        E90Company -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
        Oh $#@!, now we got politics added.
        Lol, it's true though
      1. shiv@vishnu's Avatar
        shiv@vishnu -
        To be fair, lostmarine got banned from Bimmerpost a couple years ago. Basically, I commented on his lack on understanding on a certain technical subject. He responded by posting up pictures of him and a gun and repeatedly threatening to shoot me upon my upcoming visit to NJ. Both on the public forum for everyone to see and via PM. This embarrassed a few marines on the forum. And scares the hell out of a few mods for obvious reasons. It also made LM a social pariah overnight.. So now he is here waging what appear to be a 1 way war. If it makes him happy, that's good enough for me. I was hoping to talk with him at that meet in NJ even though I forgot to bring a bulletproof vest. Unfortunately, he didn't show up. He must have had more important things to do. Or maybe he figured out that there was a police officer attending. Either way, the more time he spends here ranting the better.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu Click here to enlarge
        To be fair, lostmarine got banned from Bimmerpost a couple years ago. Basically, I commented on his lack on understanding on a certain technical subject.
        Shiv, you twist technical subjects around to serve your purpose to a point that the only understanding anyone comes away with is the person who supposedly knows anything on the subject is the one agreeing with you at that particular time.

        You lie, you create multiple accounts, and you will twist anything for profit. You are the last person who should be pointing any fingers.

        Oh, flashes are safe and great this week? Awesome.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu Click here to enlarge
        Or maybe he figured out that there was a police officer attending.
        You honestly feared for your life over forum posts? You think what, he is going to throw away his career, family, and life because you are THAT important to him? Easy there tuning God.

        Regardless, how's the single turbo going? Heh, you can tell me tomorrow. Click here to enlarge
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu Click here to enlarge
        To be fair, lostmarine got banned from Bimmerpost a couple years ago. Basically, I commented on his lack on understanding on a certain technical subject. He responded by posting up pictures of him and a gun and repeatedly threatening to shoot me upon my upcoming visit to NJ. Both on the public forum for everyone to see and via PM. This embarrassed a few marines on the forum. And scares the hell out of a few mods for obvious reasons. It also made LM a social pariah overnight.. So now he is here waging what appear to be a 1 way war. If it makes him happy, that's good enough for me. I was hoping to talk with him at that meet in NJ even though I forgot to bring a bulletproof vest. Unfortunately, he didn't show up. He must have had more important things to do. Or maybe he figured out that there was a police officer attending. Either way, the more time he spends here ranting the better.

        Is that how you remember it? Funny, because thats not how it went down. I asked a question, a question I knew the answer to, because you were claiming to have "invented" something simple that the ECU does on its own. You responded with a very direct, arrogant, personally insulting snide remark. AT that point I informed you that Im a real person, and if you feel you can talk to grown man like that w/o repricussions, then you are wrong. You made a few more comments, and I said, ok, come back to NJ, and I will F*&k you up. Never, in any form did i threaten your life. I believe it was the following day i decided to change my sig pic, yes, to me with a weapon, as I am in the military, and I was overseas at the time of the picture taken.

        Then, when you offered the free test drive in a v2 or 3 car, whatver it was, I offered to be across the street offering free test rides in a JB3 1.4 car as it just came out. Turns out, I was called into work and could not attend

        Seems you just cant tell the truth in any way, on any subject
      1. EDM92's Avatar
        EDM92 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
        Oh $#@!, now we got politics added.
        Lmao! $#@!'s about to get real!

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu Click here to enlarge
        To be fair, lostmarine got banned from Bimmerpost a couple years ago. Basically, I commented on his lack on understanding on a certain technical subject. He responded by posting up pictures of him and a gun and repeatedly threatening to shoot me upon my upcoming visit to NJ. Both on the public forum for everyone to see and via PM. This embarrassed a few marines on the forum. And scares the hell out of a few mods for obvious reasons. It also made LM a social pariah overnight.. So now he is here waging what appear to be a 1 way war. If it makes him happy, that's good enough for me. I was hoping to talk with him at that meet in NJ even though I forgot to bring a bulletproof vest. Unfortunately, he didn't show up. He must have had more important things to do. Or maybe he figured out that there was a police officer attending. Either way, the more time he spends here ranting the better.
        You've told us a story about LostMarine, now can you tell us a story about all those single turbos on the road with nothing to show? Click here to enlarge
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by EDM92 Click here to enlarge
        You've told us a story about LostMarine, now can you tell us a story about all those single turbos on the road with nothing to show?
        much like his story about me, it would be filled with half-truths, distorted accounts, and be utterly worthless.

        But, am I right or am i right.. he watches and watches, waits until he cant take anymore, and then uses his 1 post per day to say something completey worthless Click here to enlarge
      1. alpinedevil335's Avatar
        alpinedevil335 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Is that how you remember it? Funny, because thats not how it went down. I asked a question, a question I knew the answer to, because you were claiming to have "invented" something simple that the ECU does on its own. You responded with a very direct, arrogant, personally insulting snide remark. AT that point I informed you that Im a real person, and if you feel you can talk to grown man like that w/o repricussions, then you are wrong. You made a few more comments, and I said, ok, come back to NJ, and I will F*&k you up. Never, in any form did i threaten your life. I believe it was the following day i decided to change my sig pic, yes, to me with a weapon, as I am in the military, and I was overseas at the time of the picture taken.
        This is exactly how I remember it going down.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Its not the first time he tried to claim this. I forgive him; so many lies, so many places, so much time, its hard to keep them organized.

        An attempt to draw attention away from us discussing the fact that, STILL, not a single update, video, or review of the single turbo
      1. fast4door's Avatar
        fast4door -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The problem with the E46 M3 is the subframe and the SMG cars. You have automatic 335's building boost at the line. That luxury does not exist on the E46 M3, what is the problem?

        Shiv's sample size is also misleading and it is self-serving and controlled by him. Would we even have that sample released if it was not hand picked on his terms? Car was lightened and basically set up how he wanted it. Let's see customers repeat.
        couldnt have said it better myself..hey look, I have no horse in the race, I dont even own a 335 anymore so honestly it makes no difference to me what kits are good, and which ones arent..all im saying is if it was my car with 680whp or even 657hp, I would be expecting better than high 10's. Thats all im saying.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Funny, I remember LM helping another member at Bimmerfest that was running a procede and having meth flow issues.

        It's clear LM is a enthusiast and doesn't have a fight with a tune or "camp" but more is annoyed at the man behind it.... Sorry if I put words in your mouth LM but honestly I think everyone is thinking what you are saying saying about this single and a lack of updates.

        How can all the hype, all the threads, the YouTube vids and all the people that lined up for the kit go completely silent? What other conclusion can one come up with? If there isn't a problem, then let's see it..... If for nothing else it will be to keep the n54 tuning scene evolving.
      1. E90Company's Avatar
        E90Company -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        Funny, I remember LM helping another member at Bimmerfest that was running a procede and having meth flow issues.

        It's clear LM is a enthusiast and doesn't have a fight with a tune or "camp" but more is annoyed at the man behind it.... Sorry if I put words in your mouth LM but honestly I think everyone is thinking what you are saying saying about this single and a lack of updates.

        How can all the hype, all the threads, the YouTube vids and all the people that lined up for the kit go completely silent? What other conclusion can one come up with? If there isn't a problem, then let's see it..... If for nothing else it will be to keep the n54 tuning scene evolving.
        Exactly what I think. I just want to know why there is silence.
      1. fast4door's Avatar
        fast4door -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge


        You honestly feared for your life over forum posts? You think what, he is going to throw away his career, family, and life because you are THAT important to him? Easy there tuning God. Click here to enlarge
        lol, seriously
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        Funny, I remember LM helping another member at Bimmerfest that was running a procede and having meth flow issues.

        It's clear LM is a enthusiast and doesn't have a fight with a tune or "camp" but more is annoyed at the man behind it.... Sorry if I put words in your mouth LM but honestly I think everyone is thinking what you are saying saying about this single and a lack of updates.

        How can all the hype, all the threads, the YouTube vids and all the people that lined up for the kit go completely silent? What other conclusion can one come up with? If there isn't a problem, then let's see it..... If for nothing else it will be to keep the n54 tuning scene evolving.
        its cool, Thats not the only proceder ive tried to help. I actually thought you were gonna mention the convo i had just sunday night about those same events the shiv brought up, but i fogo you werent there. @benzy89 had asked why i got banned and i told him the same thing i just wrote. Its easy to remember details when you tell the truth


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fast4door Click here to enlarge
        couldnt have said it better myself..hey look, I have no horse in the race, I dont even own a 335 anymore so honestly it makes no difference to me what kits are good, and which ones arent..all im saying is if it was my car with 680whp or even 657hp, I would be expecting better than high 10's. Thats all im saying.
        its not even really about high 10's, low 10's whatever, if you bought that car, would you not be ranting and raving about it?want to post up the new "toy" and make us all jealous?
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        I think there are more "how to install (insert part of choice)" YouTube videos for the N54 than Single Turbo videos (including the ones posted by Shiv or the FFTEC guys)
      1. BES335xi's Avatar
        BES335xi -
        I dont know why spend 10+ G's on a Single and not run it at a track or even post up some youtube vid's or vbox runs or what not... It's not something you can SHOW OFF at people driving by or even meets that easily anyway, No idea why these people get these kits and then total silence, Unless like LM and bunch of others have said, theres simply something wrong with it or theres still some kinks to be worked to get it to run properly..