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    • Vishnu Tuning E92 335i with FFTEC N54 single turbo hardware + raised boost finally runs a 10 second 1/4 mile pass, underwhelming?

      Vishnu Tuning finally managed to eek out a 10 second pass in their single turbo E92 335i that they were once touting would be in the 9's. After multiple unsuccessful attempts (with driver errors) from Vishnu owner Shiv Pathak he was able to get a high 10 second slip by raising the boost according to his data log and shifting cleanly. Details are scarce as Vishnu did not provide information on the youtube video upload and there also is no exterior view to show the slip actually correlates to the run shown in the video.

      We will give the benefit of the doubt here but with all secrecy and the multiple attempts to get to this point the performance is simply underwhelming for the time and money investment. The car is said to have run 10.8@131. It recently was dyno'd at 627 wheel horsepower by Insideline so these horses are not translating well to the ground. This single turbo offers considerable lag and the top end pull for the sacrifice simply is not there especially compared to existing solutions such as the Rob Beck twin turbo upgrade which offers far greater spool and performance only a few miles per off through the traps but with far greater driveability.

      The previous record was 11.10@127.21 with 19 psi of boost on the RB turbos. These turbos are a much more affordable option that also currently is available. Vishnu claims 23.5 psi of boost for this 10.8@131 mph run. Is it worth the minor top end benefit for the estimated $8500+ plus install? We do not think so and considering the way Vishnu hyped this the results are very underwhelming. The low end torque sacrifice is not being justified with a large top end gain.

      We wish Vishnu luck in the future but for now this is still an experiment and work in progress that is tough to buy both figuratively and literally. There are more affordable options that work better for daily driven N54 vehicles that offer 97% of the performance in practice (as in not just a dyno queen) with less compromises. Not to mention for users to repeat what Vishnu has done here with their own single turbo it will likely be far more difficult as they will not have the option of risking their engine with higher boost and timing advances simply to try to eek out a tenth to squeeze past what already exists and get into the 10's. It may be a record, but it certainly is not impressive considering where the bar was already set with far less horsepower and much more affordable tuning and hardware options.








      This article was originally published in forum thread: Vishnu/FFTEC 10.822 1/4 mile RECORD! started by onesuperboi View original post
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      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GetSomeE92 Click here to enlarge
        I agree with you that something breaking is not a big deal when pushing a platform. However, I think I recall reading a post where Shiv@vishnu said that torque output was intentionally limited on these single turbo cars to be easier on the auto transmissions? I could see why he would not want to see a report of an auto transmission failing coming to light if he was selling that as the end-all solution. However, if I was the customer and my car broke down, I would let people know about it. $#@! happens when you exceed the design specifications of what parts can handle. Only way I would not would be if someone who wanted the info kept quiet paid for a new transmission in return (can't see why that would happen, though).
        The owner will not say anything if Shiv promised to fix the AT free of charge as long as the owner keeps his mouth shut.
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Well how many single turbo cars are there?

        FBIS
        CupertinoSteve
        Shiv
        PremD
        Sikh335
        The ricer from LTBmw

        Add maybe 2 or 3 more and then deduce which are autos... I think only like 2 or 3 cars are autos... its simple deducing here.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        I don't know if it's true, but it does make sense for it to be kept quiet. How desirable does a single turbo 335 project look when you know you have to build the tranny? Tons of people on here and e90 have auto's so if shiv can't provide a single that works without building the trans, that loses him a lot of market share IMO.

        Your better off spending money on a basic supercharger for a m or a different car all together.
      1. shiv@vishnu's Avatar
        shiv@vishnu -
        Well, it looks like LM got what he wanted and managed to sustain a false rumor for 24hrs. In case anyone is wondering, there are currently 3 single turbo 6ATs on the road right now:

        Creaminz
        Sikh335
        CupertinoSteve

        None of them are experiencing even the slightest hint of transmission failure/slippage. And I suspect they will be happy to confirm that being the case. So either someone without a single turbo kit is lying to the innocent LM (unlikely) or an unscrupulous LM is lying to all of you (far more likely).

        FWIW, we just finished installing/tuning a 4th single turbo 6AT a couple hours ago and a fifth should be done by friday. And two more 6at single turbo cars will be done by first week of August (in Taipei). Perhaps LM should have waited a few more weeks to start a rumor. Because with only 3 6at single turbo cars on the road right now, it's too easy to prove LM for the compulsive misinformant he is Click here to enlarge

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        Shiv
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu Click here to enlarge
        None of them are experiencing even the slightest hint of transmission failure/slippage.
        So this is a magical kit that somehow circumvents transmission hardware limitations?

        I believe you that this kit is working on the autos and they they are currently not experiencing trans issues. The question is when are they going to experience them? What torque/power level are you comfortable with for longevity? Do you recommend upgrading the trans?
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu Click here to enlarge
        Well, it looks like LM got what he wanted and managed to sustain a false rumor for 24hrs. In case anyone is wondering, there are currently 3 single turbo 6ATs on the road right now:

        Creaminz
        Sikh335
        CupertinoSteve

        None of them are experiencing even the slightest hint of transmission failure/slippage. And I suspect they will be happy to confirm that being the case. So either someone without a single turbo kit is lying to the innocent LM (unlikely) or an unscrupulous LM is lying to all of you (far more likely).

        FWIW, we just finished installing/tuning a 4th single turbo 6AT a couple hours ago and a fifth should be done by friday. And two more 6at single turbo cars will be done by first week of August (in Taipei). Perhaps LM should have waited a few more weeks to start a rumor. Because with only 3 6at single turbo cars on the road right now, it's too easy to prove LM for the compulsive misinformant he is Click here to enlarge

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        Shiv

        you realize posts cant be altered here, right?

        and I quote

        "...It has to be the transmission. Power delivery was insane in the begining, but now it is almost as if RPM's climb, but the car does not accelerate.."
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        you realize posts cant be altered here, right?

        and I quote

        "...It has to be the transmission. Power delivery was insane in the begining, but now it is almost as if RPM's climb, but the car does not accelerate.."
        if true... sounds like some slipping going on... but out of those 3 I have no idea how they would want to speak with u LM... CS seems most neutral but who knows..
      1. amclint's Avatar
        amclint -
        So how many single turbo cars are there that have access to a vbox or drag strip? WTF is with the silence in regards to how these cars perform on the road/track? Good hell it shouldn't be a state secret what the cars are capable of on the road...I guess I'm just impatient, next year maybe Click here to enlarge

        FBIS - Waiting on a bracket for a sensor or something...no idea why the car was driven so hard after install without it but whatever.
        CupertinoSteve - Pinched a nerve in his back a few weeks ago...I guess he's still recovering
        Creaminz - Not expecting anything, so not surprised
        Eric (HPF) - Was asking guys to hit the track back in June, no idea if he went, still no videos or posted run data. He's not running meth but it would still be interesting IMO to see something to go by
        Shiv's Car - 10.82 @ 132mph...pretty awesome until you see how the car was setup to get there
      1. BoostAddict's Avatar
        BoostAddict -
        IMHO even if one of those guys took their car to the track everybody would see their results as mediocre. None of those guys seem to be hardcore drag racers. More than likely they would trap in the mid to high 120's, then everybody would yell "rb's are better". Around here and FBO+meth and e85 car traps ~117 with terry helping with the mapping and FBO cars around 112-113. Just average compared to the results reached by others. In that sense, mid to high 120's is awesome, but nobody is going to view it that way. Just my opinion so take that for what it's worth.

        Sorry for any errors, posting from my phone.
      1. LuSt4Boost's Avatar
        LuSt4Boost -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        you have any idea how many people send me info because they know ill say it, and they dont want to deal with the repricussions..? its A LOT
        Well those wimps should man up, grow balls of their own, and stop hiding behind one member to make random accusations. Your secrecy is just as bad a Shiv's.


        I've owned Nissan's, Honda's, Yamaha's and even a Chevy and I have never seen a more UN-unified bunch of car enthusiasts. BMW owners on any of the BMW forums you choose are always looking for an opportunity to chop someone down, discredit, or hide information. Whether vendor or consumer, they all seem to have a vendetta. It's kinda pathetic. Yeh, we do have a lot of people that go out their way to help and there are tons of useful and great info that members/vendors have posted. Unfortunately, we have just as much or more negativity and bickering mixed with it as well. Instead of embracing something new that can benefit the community, personal feelings are thrown into the mix, which then destroys and turns great ventures into courtroom proceedings with judgemental pricks. You don't have to like a person, to like what they are doing or have done. I hate Kim Kardashian, but I dam sure loved her in that sex tape and those yoga pants she created.

        Sorry to sound like a hippy, but the attitude on BMW forums suck and takes the fun out of new projects that the entire community should be enjoying and also aiding with their knowledge. We have a lot of smart people in the BMW community, but all the feuding makes it go to waste. I can go on, but i'll save the rest for another day.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LuSt4Boost Click here to enlarge
        have never seen a more UN-unified bunch of car enthusiasts. BMW owners on any of the BMW forums you choose are always looking for an opportunity to chop someone down, discredit, or hide information. Whether vendor or consumer, they all seem to have a vendetta. It's kinda pathetic.
        I absolutely agree with this.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LuSt4Boost Click here to enlarge
        Sorry to sound like a hippy, but the attitude on BMW forums suck and takes the fun out of new projects that the entire community should be enjoying and also aiding with their knowledge. We have a lot of smart people in the BMW community, but all the feuding makes it go to waste. I can go on, but i'll save the rest for another day.
        In our defense we seem to have the best group of these smart/hardcore enthusiasts. The other forums are filled with far more trash.
      1. Sikh335's Avatar
        Sikh335 -
        For LM. My car is running fine has a Single Turbo no slippage so far on the AT. Not sure why members on forums feel the need to insert their own opinions as fact if they don't hear an update in a while. I know in my case I have simply been to busy to get the car to the track but will get to it on my schedule As for the car it runs great. Maybe LM should grow up a little, let fact stay fact and fiction stay in your head
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sikh335 Click here to enlarge
        For LM. My car is running fine has a Single Turbo no slippage so far on the AT. Not sure why members on forums feel the need to insert their own opinions as fact if they don't hear an update in a while. I know in my case I have simply been to busy to get the car to the track but will get to it on my schedule As for the car it runs great. Maybe LM should grow up a little, let fact stay fact and fiction stay in your head
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      1. creaminz's Avatar
        creaminz -
        It's me Ricer boy. Also one of 6AT single turbo 335i driver. Before the rumor gets out of control, I can confidently say my transmission isn't slipping at all. Even before the single turbo, I thought my transmission was slowly showing the wear & tear, that's when I PM'd LM regarding Level 10 upgrade, which he answered me with very good information. But after replacing gaskets and spark plugs, that sudden hesitation during hard pull went away. I am not here to defend Shiv or Vishnu. I simply paid in full to purchase his tune, meth kit, turbo kit, and if something goes wrong I can post it without feeling any guilt. It's just that Vishnu & FFTEC has been great so far and car has been running good. I'm not sure if I have 10 second car but it sure feels faster than ever. I think the kit is really well put together and it really isn't too bad pricing-wise. I'm still learning alot from you knowledgeable people, and I truly wish there's less drama...
      1. bmw335iguy's Avatar
        bmw335iguy -
        What gaskets did you replace? I will say, now that you got rid off that god awful bumper your car looks much better. Glad its running well! Now hurry up and go to the track!!!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by creaminz Click here to enlarge
        It's me Ricer boy. Also one of 6AT single turbo 335i driver. Before the rumor gets out of control, I can confidently say my transmission isn't slipping at all. Even before the single turbo, I thought my transmission was slowly showing the wear & tear, that's when I PM'd LM regarding Level 10 upgrade, which he answered me with very good information. But after replacing gaskets and spark plugs, that sudden hesitation during hard pull went away. I am not here to defend Shiv or Vishnu. I simply paid in full to purchase his tune, meth kit, turbo kit, and if something goes wrong I can post it without feeling any guilt. It's just that Vishnu & FFTEC has been great so far and car has been running good. I'm not sure if I have 10 second car but it sure feels faster than ever. I think the kit is really well put together and it really isn't too bad pricing-wise. I'm still learning alot from you knowledgeable people, and I truly wish there's less drama...
        It isn't your transmission that is slipping what's happening is it is literally attempting to dislodge itself and run away from your $#@!ing diffuser.
      1. bmw335iguy's Avatar
        bmw335iguy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It isn't your transmission that is slipping what's happening is it is literally attempting to dislodge itself and run away from your $#@!ing diffuser.
        Looks much better now:

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        What's up E90Post Click here to enlarge

        I decided to switch up the look again. I went from clean to hardcore and now going back to somewhat clean setup. After the bimmerfest, I told myself "Let's stop modding my E90." I thought I liked how my e90 looked during the bimmerfest. One of a kind, hardcore rear setup, sick exhaust note, single turbo...but only thing that bothered me...draws TOO MUCH attention. I thought it would be an good idea to TIDAN, aka. take it down a notch Click here to enlarge

        So here it is back to M3/Mtech Rear with Performance diffuser. Just like when my E90 was still Alpine White. Also switched my wheels to HRE 540 series for now. Looks clean, but I know for sure I won't be keeping this setup for too long...setup looks good but I'm looking for something in between of clean & hardcore Click here to enlarge But for now enjoy some photos I took today Click here to enlarge
        Again, Huge Thanks to LTBMW for great support every time I needed help with new setup :thumbsup:
        Also Thanks to good friend of mine, Charlie for the full detail & paint correction on my E90. Paint feels so smooth that I can't believe it's not butter!

        LTBMW
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        M3 Front with GT4 Lip
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        M3/Mtech Rear w/Performance Diffuser. Vanguard Dual. Performance Spoiler.
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        I'm sorry Charlie Click here to enlarge
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        HRE 540 19x8.5 / 19x10 20mm Spacers all around to make them M3 fitment
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        My Frenchie "Ooyoo" which means Milk in Korean.
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        Bonus Footage
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYXYBipXi8Q&feature=plcp
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Still waiting on some verified 60-130 runs. Should tell alot how these cars really perform on the street!

        If you've dealt with the 335i a bit, it's obvious that the drivetrain and suspension need some serious modifications to be able to cope with a single turbo. BMW should be blamed for that, not whoever develops the ST kit.
      1. creaminz's Avatar
        creaminz -
        lol rear bumper is gone but hey i liked that bumper Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by creaminz Click here to enlarge
        lol rear bumper is gone but hey i liked that bumper Click here to enlarge
        Then it's gone why?