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    • Vishnu Tuning E92 335i with FFTEC N54 single turbo hardware + raised boost finally runs a 10 second 1/4 mile pass, underwhelming?

      Vishnu Tuning finally managed to eek out a 10 second pass in their single turbo E92 335i that they were once touting would be in the 9's. After multiple unsuccessful attempts (with driver errors) from Vishnu owner Shiv Pathak he was able to get a high 10 second slip by raising the boost according to his data log and shifting cleanly. Details are scarce as Vishnu did not provide information on the youtube video upload and there also is no exterior view to show the slip actually correlates to the run shown in the video.

      We will give the benefit of the doubt here but with all secrecy and the multiple attempts to get to this point the performance is simply underwhelming for the time and money investment. The car is said to have run 10.8@131. It recently was dyno'd at 627 wheel horsepower by Insideline so these horses are not translating well to the ground. This single turbo offers considerable lag and the top end pull for the sacrifice simply is not there especially compared to existing solutions such as the Rob Beck twin turbo upgrade which offers far greater spool and performance only a few miles per off through the traps but with far greater driveability.

      The previous record was 11.10@127.21 with 19 psi of boost on the RB turbos. These turbos are a much more affordable option that also currently is available. Vishnu claims 23.5 psi of boost for this 10.8@131 mph run. Is it worth the minor top end benefit for the estimated $8500+ plus install? We do not think so and considering the way Vishnu hyped this the results are very underwhelming. The low end torque sacrifice is not being justified with a large top end gain.

      We wish Vishnu luck in the future but for now this is still an experiment and work in progress that is tough to buy both figuratively and literally. There are more affordable options that work better for daily driven N54 vehicles that offer 97% of the performance in practice (as in not just a dyno queen) with less compromises. Not to mention for users to repeat what Vishnu has done here with their own single turbo it will likely be far more difficult as they will not have the option of risking their engine with higher boost and timing advances simply to try to eek out a tenth to squeeze past what already exists and get into the 10's. It may be a record, but it certainly is not impressive considering where the bar was already set with far less horsepower and much more affordable tuning and hardware options.








      This article was originally published in forum thread: Vishnu/FFTEC 10.822 1/4 mile RECORD! started by onesuperboi View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
        FBIS is a reviewer for hire for sure. He got extremely pissed when I mentioned that.
        Why?
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
        If any of these smartphones would have a 10hz GPS chip instead of the current 1hz chip, the phones would be as good if not better than the vbox.
        Can't one just buy 10hz chips and do the same thing as the Vbox really with some custom programming?
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        I spoke to a FFTEC/Vishnu kit owner a week or two ago who is having problems with boost spikes, drivability, etc. So perhaps all the bugs are just not worked out yet.
        I'll pretend I'm surprised. IIRC, the Vishnu kit came out really quickly after HPF released their "N54 Test Single" video. Just had this eerie feeling from the beginning that the car worked "fine" on a dyno, but Shiv was going to use customer cars to do all the real world testing & fix the bugs as they went along
      1. 654's Avatar
        654 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Can't one just buy 10hz chips and do the same thing as the Vbox really with some custom programming?
        That is what I do, except that the progman is available for a couple of dollars and it has better functionality than Vbox.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
        That is what I do, except that the progman is available for a couple of dollars and it has better functionality than Vbox.
        Explain to me in a PM please. @654
      1. EDM92's Avatar
        EDM92 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Explain to me in a PM please. @654
        Nooo, not in a PM, I want to know tooo! Click here to enlarge
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by EDM92 Click here to enlarge
        Nooo, not in a PM, I want to know tooo! Click here to enlarge
        Go get a 10hz+ external GPS unit that works with android phones and download the app, forgot what its called just google it. I have an iphone so i gave up after realizing theres no iphone compatible external GPS units. Amazon has some of the GPS units for a decent price - here ya go http://www.amazon.com/BT-Q818XT-Qsta.../dp/B003YCZINA
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        It is eerily quiet on this front... no records broken, no runs against other cars, no dynos... wtf is going on here?
      1. EDM92's Avatar
        EDM92 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
        Go get a 10hz+ external GPS unit that works with android phones and download the app, forgot what its called just google it. I have an iphone so i gave up after realizing theres no iphone compatible external GPS units. Amazon has some of the GPS units for a decent price - here ya go http://www.amazon.com/BT-Q818XT-Qsta.../dp/B003YCZINA
        Ah crap, I have an iPhone too. Boooo
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        If you dont want to shell out the coin for the Vbox, you can go with the Gtech Pro SS precision series. It has 10hz poll rate, has been proven to be VERY close to Vbox results, but it doesnt measure altitude so it cannot be used for *Official* 60-130 times because slope cannot be calculated. But for personal use, its perfect if you use the same stretch of road etc, like Virtual Dyno really.
      1. 654's Avatar
        654 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
        Go get a 10hz+ external GPS unit that works with android phones and download the app, forgot what its called just google it. I have an iphone so i gave up after realizing theres no iphone compatible external GPS units. Amazon has some of the GPS units for a decent price - here ya go http://www.amazon.com/BT-Q818XT-Qsta.../dp/B003YCZINA
        I have that unit. Extremely accurate. @Sticky check trackaroo.com They have dynomaster and trackmaster. I'm surprised if there is nothing similar for iphone. I have Galaxy S3 and the processing power runs 10 hz gps receiver easily. It connects seamlessly into google maps and has a great integration with the smartphone. E.g. saves all the videos into Dropbox easily etc. I've got 50Gigs of dropbox space that came with the phone.
      1. CaptainInsano's Avatar
        CaptainInsano -
        This post will probably negative rep me into oblivion, but here we go.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        I spoke to a FFTEC/Vishnu kit owner a week or two ago who is having problems with boost spikes, drivability, etc. So perhaps all the bugs are just not worked out yet.
        I've met some of them, so you must be talking about one of the few owners I haven't met. I don't want to call you out Terry, but why won't you say who it is? I used to be one of your loyal customers back in the JB3 days, we had a nice chat about meth injection several years ago. You didn't seem like the kind of guy to spread rumors or be dishonest, but I've got to try and call you out here. Spill the beans.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fast4door Click here to enlarge
        680whp??? Um, yeah..I would expect a lot better from a car with 700hp
        I don't think Shiv was even running 600whp at that point. I don't know where these 680 numbers are coming from; I am the current dyno queen at 657rwhp. These cars were a lot less powerful back then. Also, a 1/4 mile in the 10s for this amount of power isn't terrible. How many 10 second 1000hp e46 m3s are there? Shivs numbers are very reasonable, especially with a sample size of one.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Im sorry, i dont buy it, everyone keeps saying "im just enjoying my car" but are they, really? look at what they did prior to the install, "hey guys, i ran a xx@xx today", "ran a turbo xx on the xx expressway" now, they are "just enoyoying my car" no video's, no feedback, NOTHING.

        FBIS is definitly waiting for a fix on something. a few days is what he needed to write pages on dumb $#@!, like the riss racing catch can (which you guys now know doesnt wor properly, and he never said anything but great things about), or the stett charge pipe, or the CF hood ( that doesnt fit but he tried to shoot at angles that dont show it)
        You really want something to be wrong with the kits. I get it. You are pissed off against the entire Vishnu camp. You hate Shiv for spreading misinformation, but now take a look at yourself. You have become that which you hate. I'm not going to stop you, you have one of the highest reputation scores here partially for being biased against a certain tuner and his products. Maybe you feel justified through things that have happened in the past. Just realize how it looks to a noob like me.

        Flame away.
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by CaptainInsano Click here to enlarge
        This post will probably negative rep me into oblivion, but here we go.
        I've met some of them, so you must be talking about one of the few owners I haven't met. I don't want to call you out Terry, but why won't you say who it is? I used to be one of your loyal customers back in the JB3 days, we had a nice chat about meth injection several years ago. You didn't seem like the kind of guy to spread rumors or be dishonest, but I've got to try and call you out here. Spill the beans.
        If it was any company other than Vishnu I'd have no problem with it but they have a history of taking retribution on customers that fraternize with "the enemy" so suffice it to say I'll keep them out of it. This same person told me he's been getting firmware updates "frequently" trying to solve the problems. If yours is running great then great. I was simply putting forth a hypothesis on why more detailed reviews and info have not been posted by customers outside Shiv's circle of strong influence. From what I've heard there are still bugs to be worked out.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by CaptainInsano Click here to enlarge
        How many 10 second 1000hp e46 m3s are there? Shivs numbers are very reasonable, especially with a sample size of one.
        The problem with the E46 M3 is the subframe and the SMG cars. You have automatic 335's building boost at the line. That luxury does not exist on the E46 M3, what is the problem?

        Shiv's sample size is also misleading and it is self-serving and controlled by him. Would we even have that sample released if it was not hand picked on his terms? Car was lightened and basically set up how he wanted it. Let's see customers repeat.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by CaptainInsano Click here to enlarge
        You really want something to be wrong with the kits. I get it. You are pissed off against the entire Vishnu camp. You hate Shiv for spreading misinformation, but now take a look at yourself. You have become that which you hate. I'm not going to stop you, you have one of the highest reputation scores here partially for being biased against a certain tuner and his products. Maybe you feel justified through things that have happened in the past. Just realize how it looks to a noob like me.

        Flame away.
        I dont wnat anything to be wrong with the kit, why would I? I want to see beastly N54's. WHy am i pissed at the vishnu camp? shiv, yea, the camp? no. Take a look at how many former vishnu customers there are here, take a look at how me and the local vishnu customers interacted when we met up, does it look like i have anything against them? your drawing inaccurate conclusions. Im stating my opinion, an opinion formed from loking at all the present data, the history of said endevours, aligned with the past present and future actions of shiv himself.

        My rep has nothing to do with anything, if you want to neg me, please go ahead. Im inpartial. But since you asked, I have a high rep for my contributions, not only on 1 platform now. not only for setting a record, but going out and documenting the process which anyone can replicate, and MOST IMPORTANTLY because i go out and show how the car performs, in good and in bad. If your worried about rep, post some info yourself, you certainly have the car and modifications to draw much attention

        Where in my posts is misinformation? If im wrong, where is the proof? "10+" people have the kits and not a single video has been brought forth for anything other than a dyno or 2.. how much "enjoyment" is there on the road, dyno's are a glorious thing, but its not what we mod our cars for. You want to prove me wrong, please, go out right now and make a 2-3 minute video going through the gears at a good pace/boost, mention me in the video, show the hardware.. ill admit i was wrong, but the general consensus is that im not.. And my comments are not unfounded
      1. CaptainInsano's Avatar
        CaptainInsano -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        If it was any company other than Vishnu I'd have no problem with it but they have a history of taking retribution on customers that fraternize with "the enemy" so suffice it to say I'll keep them out of it. This same person told me he's been getting firmware updates "frequently" trying to solve the problems. If yours is running great then great. I was simply putting forth a hypothesis on why more detailed reviews and info have not been posted by customers outside Shiv's circle of strong influence. From what I've heard there are still bugs to be worked out.
        Haven't you already outed him by saying he's the one taking frequent updates? I wont press the matter further, I'm just curious. Thanks for the response.
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Maybe I have. And if he receives poor treatment now as a result of me saying that I'll feel bad. So hopefully no other vendors (cough Vishnu) take it the wrong way. Click here to enlarge
      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        If it was any company other than Vishnu I'd have no problem with it but they have a history of taking retribution on customers that fraternize with "the enemy" so suffice it to say I'll keep them out of it. This same person told me he's been getting firmware updates "frequently" trying to solve the problems. If yours is running great then great. I was simply putting forth a hypothesis on why more detailed reviews and info have not been posted by customers outside Shiv's circle of strong influence. From what I've heard there are still bugs to be worked out.
        I have a feeling I know who Terry is talking about, but won't make any educated guesses based on Shiv's retaliatory business practices.
      1. EDM92's Avatar
        EDM92 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        Maybe I have. And if he receives poor treatment now as a result of me saying that I'll feel bad. So hopefully no other vendors (cough Vishnu) take it the wrong way. Click here to enlarge
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
        I have a feeling I know who Terry is talking about, but won't make any educated guesses based on Shiv's retaliatory business practices.
        I would think that if you two have a pretty good idea of who it is, then obviously Shiv must know who it is.
      1. CaptainInsano's Avatar
        CaptainInsano -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        I dont wnat anything to be wrong with the kit, why would I? I want to see beastly N54's. WHy am i pissed at the vishnu camp? shiv, yea, the camp? no. Take a look at how many former vishnu customers there are here, take a look at how me and the local vishnu customers interacted when we met up, does it look like i have anything against them? your drawing inaccurate conclusions. Im stating my opinion, an opinion formed from loking at all the present data, the history of said endevours, aligned with the past present and future actions of shiv himself.

        My rep has nothing to do with anything, if you want to neg me, please go ahead. Im inpartial. But since you asked, I have a high rep for my contributions, not only on 1 platform now. not only for setting a record, but going out and documenting the process which anyone can replicate, and MOST IMPORTANTLY because i go out and show how the car performs, in good and in bad. If your worried about rep, post some info yourself, you certainly have the car and modifications to draw much attention

        Where in my posts is misinformation? If im wrong, where is the proof? "10+" people have the kits and not a single video has been brought forth for anything other than a dyno or 2.. how much "enjoyment" is there on the road, dyno's are a glorious thing, but its not what we mod our cars for. You want to prove me wrong, please, go out right now and make a 2-3 minute video going through the gears at a good pace/boost, mention me in the video, show the hardware.. ill admit i was wrong, but the general consensus is that im not.. And my comments are not unfounded
        Ok maybe I overacted a little. You are one of the pioneers here, respect. But you don't think you are enjoying bashing Vishnu camp ppl even a little?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by CaptainInsano Click here to enlarge
        Looks good to me
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Do you drive your car, or just "look" at it.?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        "Im gonna xyz next week.." should be the slogan for vishnu fanboys. they all say it, and it never materializes.. true story

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        a week later, still no updates.. not suprising. VISHNU/FFTEC FAILS AGAIN!

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by NoSleep Click here to enlarge
        enjoy the powa.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        or lack of

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by joyballs Click here to enlarge
        What a colossal flop this has become.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I wouldn't call it a flop.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        i would
        Come on man, you're a bulldog. You enjoy it Click here to enlarge

        I don't really care about reputation so much, I've got pneumonia right now so I'm stuck in bed with nothing but the internet to keep me company, which is why this has become so entertaining for me.

        Take it easy.