• Insideline previews the 2014 M3 Coupe, but what they meant to say was the 2014 F82 M4 - V6 rumors again?

      Before we delve into the details of what is coming in the next gen M3 platform, we found it interesting Insideline (who usually is closer to enthusiast nomenclature than most) titled this piece and renderings with "M3 Coupe." Is this an error or an effort to make the articles easier to read for the masses? Enthusiast sites seem to be in agreement the the next generation M3 platform coupe will be called the M4 and receive its own F82 code/designation. Major blogs have all also reported BMW is adding a 4 series which will of course be the new 3 Series coupe platform essentially. So what gives, especially considering they mention the M4 and F82 at the bottom of the article?

      Insideline has made mistakes before (stated no 1M was coming) so do not read all of this as if it is set in stone. However, the car is supposed to get a V6. Why? Well, a V6 can sit further back than an I6 and secondly because it will mirror the setup of the N63 V8. That means two turbos sitting in the valley. Knowing BMW, it may just be the N63 platform with two cylinders sliced off. Early guess is the displacement is 3.3 liters. I say just give us the N63 instead in the M3 but ok, fine, the V6 reasons do make sense.

      Insideline states the horsepower will be at 429. Then the odd comment is made that this is enough to fend off the C63 AMG. Um, no it isn't. The P31 C63 AMG will eat this alive and we highly doubt Mercedes will just leave the C63 the way it is when the new M3 hits. Mercedes already started the precedent of putting their main AMG V8 in the C-Class so if Mercedes repeats this and gives the C the M157... it's game over kids. The DCT was enough to hold the C63 off and make it close enough but if a twin turbo 5.5 liter V8 comes to town that only needs some software, well, as stated earlier.

      The new M3 and M4 are expected to get down into the 34XX range. Which is fine, as this is E46 M3 weight. We like everything for the most part but 429 horses just does not seem to be enough. This would be a very small increase and not proportional to the one which the M5 received. Why not keep the M3 within 100 horses as has been the case with the E36, E46, and E92? Hopefully BMW ups the ante more than this.







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      1. Kbahl21's Avatar
        Kbahl21 -
        i saw the new 3 series on the road today, whats with the really skinny headlights?
      1. lughed's Avatar
        lughed -
        Those e90 M kit on the new body renderings are trash. It may look simular but those are exact e90 M body parts.

        As far as C63 vs M3, 4-500 lb weight difference is more than enough to make up for being down on power. Besides its nothing new for MB new models to be faster than BMW's but with the claimed weight reduction the M3 will do what it always has and beat the lights off Merc on the turns. Tuning debate is null. Larger displacement detuned engines will always have a larger tuning capability

        Someone mentioned the V6 would not have enough spacing for twin valley turbos and i might have to agree. I can see BMW going back to a I6 but it will need a jump in displacement. S54/5 turbo makes the most sense with a with a 3.8 displacement and ~495 hp. I dont think a V8 is going in the M3 because BMW has been down sizing all there engines per class.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Saying it is nothing new for the mercedes rival for the m3 to be faster is not true. The e46 m3 was slightly quicker than the c32. The e92 is dct is a dead heat with the c63.

        Mercedes had no answer for the e36. The e39 m5 was also way ahead of the e55. BMW is falling too far behind now.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        It's not that BMW is falling behind, Mercedes is just catching up, there is only so much power/ speed for a certain price point....BMW has always been a good looking, quick AND great handling car, for a decent price, a package that has been hard to match. Rest assured though Mercedes, Lexus, and Audi will keep trying...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        It's not that BMW is falling behind, Mercedes is just catching up
        Can't it be both?
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Not really, how much faster do you think these cars will come from the factory? What will set them apart IMO will be styling, handling, and creature comforts.....
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        Not really, how much faster do you think these cars will come from the factory? What will set them apart IMO will be styling, handling, and creature comforts.....
        BMW isn't even producing a car trapping over 130. I'd say they have plenty of room to improve from the factory considering other offerings. Porsche has stock cars doing 10's, come on.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        I'd wonder if BMW wants to produce a reliable car that traps 130, you think they are expensive now...ha

        I think BMW has a good niche, they produce fast luxury touring cars, the m division is for the guy that wants Porsche like speed and a more practical tourer, a wolf in sheeps clothing. We'll see....with all this fuel economy craze and EPA regs, I hope these cars stay as fast as they are...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        I'd wonder if BMW wants to produce a reliable car that traps 130, you think they are expensive now...ha
        Chevy does it for a bargain? BMW is a big volume seller now. Not like they don't have money.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Chevy does it the American way, create a badass engine and put in a bunch of cars that fit a bunch of segments....

        Then again look what else chevy produces, they are able to meet the average fuel economy numbers required by the EPA with all the cruzes, metros, and other Eco crap they sell. BMW doesn't have that...they seem to me, to be producing a wide range of powerful, fuel efficient engines, hopefully a strategy that will work for them.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        Chevy does it the American way, create a badass engine and put in a bunch of cars that fit a bunch of segments....
        BMW uses how many engines for all their models? In the USA it is really constricted. Still, BMW can build a motor that is amazing and sell it in a car that sells for a decent price. They did that with the E60 M5. That motor was over the top, I want more of that.

        Regardless, I think there is plenty of room for BMW models to improve.
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        Whatever it is its my next car
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
        Read this on another forum. I have no clue where this info is from. Hard to believe, but interesting. Could it be someone is being instructed to spread misinformation?




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        One thing that is 100% wrong is the engine code. The last two digits signify the displacement of the car - they are saying it's 3.6 liters, but the code says otherwise. In other words, it's probably as you said - misinformation - why? No idea.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        so, do we have any new actuald info?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        so, do we have any new actuald info?
        No, it's really just speculation.
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        Excellent post that deserves its own thread.