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    • Motortrend 2013 F10 BMW M5 test numbers are in - 11.9@120 and 4384 pound curb weight

      This is our second set of US performance numbers for the new M5. Car and Driver put up numbers last year and hit 12.0@122. MotorTrend got it into the 11's with a 11.9@120 mph run. Certainly not bad but not exactly blazing performance these days either especially considering MotorTrend hit 12.5@115 in a 6 speed manual previous generation E60 M5. That car was already a heavy 4100 pounds and this new M5 is almost 300 pounds heavier.

      If the M5 did not pick up that 300 pounds on the previous generation we would see much more impressive performance numbers. The CLS63 AMG and E63 AMG with the new twin turbo M157 motor run similar times although they have an optional performance package to up the ante and likely leave the M5 behind. The new M5 is definitely fast, but it also could have raised the bar much higher had it not gained so much weight.


      2013 BMW M5
      POWERTRAIN/CHASSIS
      DRIVETRAIN LAYOUT Front engine, RWD
      ENGINE TYPE Twin-turbo 90-deg V-8, alum block/heads
      VALVETRAIN DOHC, 4 valves/cyl
      DISPLACEMENT 268.2 cu in/4395 cc
      COMPRESSION RATIO 10.0:1
      POWER (SAE NET) 560 hp @ 6000 rpm
      TORQUE (SAE NET) 500 lb-ft @ 1500 rpm
      REDLINE 7200 rpm
      WEIGHT TO POWER 7.8 lb/hp
      TRANSMISSION 7-speed twin-clutch auto
      AXLE/FINAL-DRIVE RATIO 3.15:1/2.12:1
      SUSPENSION, FRONT; REAR Multi-link, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar; multi-link, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar
      STEERING RATIO 13.1:1
      TURNS LOCK-TO-LOCK 2.5
      BRAKES, F;R 15.7-in vented, drilled disc; 15.6-in vented, drilled disc, ABS
      WHEELS 9.0 x 20-in, 10.0 x 20-in cast aluminum
      TIRES 265/35ZR20 99Y; 295/30ZR20 101Y Michelin Pilot Super Sport
      DIMENSIONS
      WHEELBASE 116.7 in
      TRACK, F/R 64.1/62.3 in
      LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT 193.5 x 74.4 x 57.3
      TURNING CIRCLE 41.3 ft
      CURB WEIGHT 4384 lb
      WEIGHT DIST., F/R 52/48 %
      SEATING CAPACITY 5
      HEADROOM, F/R 40.5/38.3 in
      LEGROOM, F/R 41.4/36.1 in
      SHOULDER ROOM, F/R 58.3/56.2 in
      CARGO VOLUME 14.0 cu ft
      TEST DATA
      ACCELERATION TO MPH
      0-30 1.5 sec
      0-40 2.2
      0-50 2.9
      0-60 3.7
      0-70 4.7
      0-80 5.8
      0-90 7.0
      0-100 8.4
      PASSING, 45-65 MPH 1.6
      QUARTER MILE 11.9 sec @ 120.3 mph
      BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 110 ft
      LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.94 g (avg)
      MT FIGURE EIGHT 24.9 sec @ 0.81 g (avg)
      TOP-GEAR REVS @ 60 MPH 1500 rpm
      CONSUMER INFO
      BASE PRICE $95,000 (est)
      PRICE AS TESTED $105,000 (est)
      STABILITY/TRACTION CONTROL Yes/Yes
      AIRBAGS Dual front, front side, f/r curtain, front knee
      BASIC WARRANTY 4 yrs/50,000 miles
      POWERTRAIN WARRANTY 4 yrs/50,000 miles
      ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE 4 yrs/Unlimited
      FUEL CAPACITY 21.1 gal
      EPA CITY/HWY ECON 15/22 mpg (est)
      ENERGY CONS., CITY/HWY 225/153 kW-hrs/100 miles (est)
      CO2 EMISSIONS 1.11 lb/mile (est)
      RECOMMENDED FUEL Unleaded premium




      This article was originally published in forum thread: Motor Trend's First Test of 2013 BMW M5 started by flipm3 View original post
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      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
        The video is up on Evo's youtube channel.

        It does not say it has the Perf. package in the desription.

        From looking at the video, I don't think it does either. I don't see the giant red calipers that come with the PP.
        I don't know what to say.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
        Here is the thing...the drivers car argument is starting not to apply with the M5 growing in size and weight. As it is losing in the handling aspect to the now lighter E63. The only argument I really see BMW lovers hanging on to, is the manual vs automatic. Otherwise the cars are more even than ever, in some instances the E63 wins outs.

        For example AutoCar's comparo: http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=594332

        Quotes like this make you think much harder about the E63:
        This is the same magazine that said both RS4 and C63 handles better than E92 M3 when it came out. However in Top gear magazine, CAR magazine and auto express comparisons between E63 and M5, It was said that M5 handles better.

        Look at that this way, We assume E63 PP is the one with better performance, Right? and also you say E63 handles better? OK? Then how exactly it has the second fastest Nurburgring lap time after Porsche Panamera Turbo S?

        This is the problem, BMW fans got spoiled quite badly. All they do is whining and trying to downgrading BMW cars. That's lame IMHO.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        There we go, thank you.
        I've never heard of this magazine. Let's not base our facts on unproved sources.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Heh, you just highlight text and click quote.
        Huh, it's awesome. From now on i will put every single words in different quotes.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It has plenty of torque in its full mode. It has a very flat curve with 85% of its torque available as early as 1800 rpm or so. So, sorry, not buying what you are saying especially considering the M3 has less torque and it moved just fine out of first gear. You act like it's a Honda 1.6 liter or something.
        Go to M5board and make a poll and ask what's the average RPM they get in city driving? If it's less than 3800 i will drive a 1.6 Honda in the rest of my life.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It doesn't need an 8300 rpm V10? No kidding, that is what made the M5 badass. It was so over the top awesome and a race motor. Nobody had anything like it.

        Oh, a twin turbo V8 you say? Who doesn't have one? M had a tradition of high revving race motors for a reason.
        You do realize people daily drive their M5's? No one gives a $#@! about race car feel in traffic.

        You are watching the whole thing from out side.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Ohhhh, no kidding.
        But it's even faster than E60 and E39 in corners.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        And considering the previous M5 already ran low 12's in the ~115 range without turbos?
        So what this beloved new TT E63 does over the previous E63? Cut the BS man. You don't like it, fine. No problem whatsoever, but don't act like this. You are better than this.
      1. BK63AMG's Avatar
        BK63AMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Even in the post 2013 GT500 and GTR world? And considering the previous M5 already ran low 12's in the ~115 range without turbos?
        Absolutely. The cars you're referencing are purpose built sports cars - apples to oranges comparison.

        Considering the new M5 is trapping 5-7mph higher through the 1/4 is more impressive to me and highlights just how strong it's top end is relative to the last M.
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BK63AMG Click here to enlarge
        Absolutely. The cars you're referencing are purpose built sports cars - apples to oranges comparison.

        Considering the new M5 is trapping 5-7mph higher through the 1/4 is more impressive to me and highlights just how strong it's top end is relative to the last M.

        This. They may be somewhat close from a dig due to the added weight but once the new M5 gets going it should pull an older M5 pretty severely.
      1. DAGREEKNYC's Avatar
        DAGREEKNYC -
        I just heard a rumor from a friend who owns a performance shop in CT that they got a new M5 with some mods to put down 680 to the rear wheels ! Cars allegedly from Joisey . Anyone else here this ??? Exhaust , air intake mods and a tune from what i was told . that sick .
      1. DarkPhantom's Avatar
        DarkPhantom -
        I'm waiting for the hack that turns off the "engine noise" from the speakers.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        I've never heard of this magazine. Let's not base our facts on unproved sources.
        Proven sources are magazines you have heard of? It's right there in a video.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        Go to M5board and make a poll and ask what's the average RPM they get in city driving? If it's less than 3800 i will drive a 1.6 Honda in the rest of my life.
        All that proves is M5board is filled with old men, likely with Viagra prescriptions.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        You do realize people daily drive their M5's? No one gives a $#@! about race car feel in traffic.

        You are watching the whole thing from out side.
        And what? A 5.0 liter V10 doesn't provide enough for daily driving? Seriously?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        But it's even faster than E60 and E39 in corners.
        Give an E39 modern suspension and what will happen?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        So what this beloved new TT E63 does over the previous E63? Cut the BS man. You don't like it, fine. No problem whatsoever, but don't act like this. You are better than this.
        It's not that I don't like it, I think BMW could have done better. It isn't as good and doesn't make the statement the E39 did.
      1. M3_WC's Avatar
        M3_WC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Proven sources are magazines you have heard of? It's right there in a video.
        Car mag just did another comparo with the M5, against XFR and E63 (no perf package).

        The M5 went into limp mode again. Once on the dyno, on the second run. Then 4 more times during low-speed runs.

        Oh and the CLS63 in that video above, does not have the performance pacakge.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
        The M5 went into limp mode again. Once on the dyno, on the second run. Then 4 more times during low-speed runs.
        Becoming a pattern...
      1. alq80's Avatar
        alq80 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Becoming a pattern...
        Now I dont wanna rip on the m5 at all, since I consider it one of the greatest cars built. However, I do agree that they are getting fatter when they should be losing weight and doing more with less (hp at least).

        Considering one of the things that allowed me to sell my 335i was limp mode (yes, I absolutely hated limp mode, even stock), I have to say I would have hoped that BMW made a machine that was designed to handle the power all day long. I really never would have thought that this would ever become an issue. It is a great car, dont get me wrong, but considering they had alot of testing time with this motor and its abilites etc, it should have been ROCK solid. (they had the motor first in the 50i then in the X5/6M. So, all quirks should have been ironed out IMO).

        I'm not ripping on the engine, but I'd like an M car that can be pushed all goddamn day long, and the only difference I notice is that the fuel goes away quicker Click here to enlarge

        How are they holding up when tuned, if this is happening on stock motors?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alq80 Click here to enlarge
        How are they holding up when tuned, if this is happening on stock motors?
        It's getting tuned but I don't know if we will see 600 rwhp out of it on stock turbos. Let's see what happens, very early.