• Stock 2012 DCT M3 with rear section takes on a bolt on Mustang 5.0 from a roll

      The Mustang 5.0 is being compared to the M3 pretty frequently although these are not cross shopped cars. Understandable as the M3 is the benchmark and has been since 2008. The Mustang is a great performance value as it has and should be. Well, this 2012 M3 is stock except for a rear section exhaust but it is a dual clutch. The Mustang has an off-road H-pipe (meaning no cats), intake, tune, and exhaust.

      From a 40 mph roll the Mustang is able to pull a couple cars. From a lower speed roll the M3 is able to hold a slight advantage. The cars are close enough the weight of the passenger affects the outcome as well as the starting speed. Starting in first gear favors the M3 significantly on the shift. It is surprising though the Mustang was not stronger with a tune, intake, and exhaust as the M3 is basically stock although if it was a manual the 5.0 would have easily had its way with it passenger or no passenger and regardless of the starting speed.

      With a full exhaust and tune we would expect the M3 to pull relatively easily. Hopefully we see a rematch when the M3 has equal mods, enjoy the videos.


      Camera man in M3:

      Camera man in Mustang:
      This article was originally published in forum thread: 2011 Mustang 5.0 6speed (bolt ons) vs. e92 M3 DCT (exhaust) started by oddjob2021 View original post
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      1. ERM324's Avatar
        ERM324 -
        ^exactly, its not about having the money at that point its about realizing that what your doing past a certain extent is marginally better than lighting it on fire and watching it burn...another 16-17 grand for a built motor VT3 and still lose to a head/cam c6 z06? $#@! out of here, better off at that point just buying another platform and using your money more wisely.
      1. nismo370's Avatar
        nismo370 -
        +1 for Erm
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        Once again theoretical numbers. Show me these 65s that actually make power. No one in their right mind would dump so much money into a m3 only to get cleaned up by other cars. Platform wont advance cause its useless for the price not because people dont have the money people simply arnt stupid.
        Gotta agree on this.

        Why are there no 1000hp+ Ferraris? Those owners surely would have the money to get it done. But the 1000hp clients are in 99,9% people who live their lives a 1/4 at a time. And those are looking to achieve their goal with the best performance/$ ratio. And that ratio is in favor of US muscle cars, definitely. Those clients are not looking for the most refined, sophisticated cars and engines.
        Can a S65 be modded to the same power levels as the Mustang? Of course, but no one is in the market for that (except teh Sticky). Hell, a standard Corvette C6 engine is more efficient and as powerful as the S65. Kinda ridiculous when you compare it to all the bells and whistles of the S65. Then again no one will argue that the BMW offers a more refined interior, better quality etc. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
      1. ERM324's Avatar
        ERM324 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Do me a favor though, pick up the phone, and ask any vendor who has touched this car if any delay has been a financial reason on my part.
        To say the least, I got the scoop on your build (or at least the other side of the story) a while back at a huge meet here on the east by a couple sponsors/vendors.
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        The m3 with a blower is a great car however thats where it stops. If you are talking about building monsters that trap 150 then all the things you like about the m3, the ride, interior, balance, ect is all thrown out the window either way. So whats the point again? Oh there is none, just get a different car if that is your goal.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
        ^exactly, its not about having the money at that point its about realizing that what your doing past a certain extent is marginally better than lighting it on fire and watching it burn...another 16-17 grand for a built motor VT3 and still lose to a head/cam c6 z06? $#@! out of here, better off at that point just buying another platform and using your money more wisely.
        well, to be fair, the past few stg3 motors are started because its cheaper to go stg3 than to buy a new motor, and for the labor/parts/$ involved compared to rebuild factory specs, why not Click here to enlarge
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Built/Stroked LS3 vs Built/Stroked SS65

        Long block
        11k vs 26k
        Supercharger
        7k vs 15k
        transmission
        3k vs not sure....5k?

        output
        1200whp vs 800whp


        nuff said? Click here to enlarge
      1. ERM324's Avatar
        ERM324 -
        ^ is that why Gintani has so many stage 3s???? lmao we all knew that, still cant believe paul walkers ticking time bomb, thank god they caught that in time
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        Built/Stroked LS3 vs Built/Stroked SS65

        Long block
        11k vs 26k
        Supercharger
        7k vs 15k
        transmission
        3k vs not sure....5k?

        output
        1200whp vs 800whp


        nuff said? Click here to enlarge
        But but the interior rattles when you lift the wheel off the ground on the 1-2. M3 all the way.

        Steve despite the $#@!ty weather ill still be there tonight, not sure if you are coming. Dibs on left lane btw Click here to enlarge
        Mild tune only rest of the $#@! is on back order. My butt dyno sucks but i will be super happy with 114 plus and somewhere along a 12.4. Doubt it though.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
        ^ is that why Gintani has so many stage 3s???? lmao we all knew that, still cant believe paul walkers ticking time bomb, thank god they caught that in time
        again, to be fair, i know of 3 gintani stg 3's (1 of which was built motor before gintani), and 3 ess stg 3's, all were known to be pushing the limits Click here to enlarge
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        But but the interior rattles when you lift the wheel off the ground on the 1-2. M3 all the way.

        Steve despite the $#@!ty weather ill still be there tonight, not sure if you are coming. Dibs on left lane btw Click here to enlarge
        Mild tune only rest of the $#@! is on back order. My butt dyno sucks but i will be super happy with 114 plus and somewhere along a 12.4. Doubt it though.
        $#@!, i forgot about that. im home now, but may be able make it over for a little while.I just bought a tune myself a few minutes ago, and im actually out shopping for a 4x4 daily beater so my "stage 2" can begin Click here to enlarge
      1. ERM324's Avatar
        ERM324 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        again, to be fair, i know of 3 gintani stg 3's (1 of which was built motor before gintani), and 3 ess stg 3's, all were known to be pushing the limits Click here to enlarge
        3 ess = drew, pencilgeek, izzy.........I saw izzys car right before he did the stage 3 and nothing was wrong with it so I personally (I know my word probably means $#@! to half the people on here without any proof, but at least I know myself) know it was fine and he is just a sick bastard and isnt content until he has the fastest one around here.......Drew's motor was fine I personally spoke to him and they made that video of the 625 vs the 535 while it was on the way there.....and Pencilgeek, well yeah that was a blown motor I think and that car was a stroker though so I discount that because it has nothign to do with my engine because they tried stroking+blowing it

        Gintani on the other hand...aside from the ones I know about in the US (which is probably more than alot of guys on here), they also have 2 blown in greece, and the best was the guy who bought CJ's supercharged 5.0 (700+whp) mustang bought it because he was replacing his white e92 m3 with a gintani stage 2+ kit that it still sitting in the corner of his collection collecting dust to this day after it blew up on him LOL

        lets drop this convo, its a whole other story altogether lol
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        Once again theoretical numbers. Show me these 65s that actually make power. No one in their right mind would dump so much money into a m3 only to get cleaned up by other cars. Platform wont advance cause its useless for the price not because people dont have the money people simply arnt stupid.
        You go do research and read the S65 section, they are making plenty of power with much more to come.

        Right, useless like the S54 is useless going well over 4 digits? That makes sense. You have no idea what you are saying when it comes to these motors. You made the right move sticking to what you can barely afford as is.

        Let me know when your 5.0 makes power. Right now you are racing naturally aspirated M3's in your beast lol.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
        ^exactly, its not about having the money at that point its about realizing that what your doing past a certain extent is marginally better than lighting it on fire and watching it burn...another 16-17 grand for a built motor VT3 and still lose to a head/cam c6 z06? $#@! out of here, better off at that point just buying another platform and using your money more wisely.
        Well the problem is the built motor VT3 setups from ESS are weak and yet to even show anything worthwhile.

        The real big power setups obviously aren't going to be using a Vortech V3si blower.

        The M3 is going to open a lot of eyes soon enough and have no trouble with head/cam Z06's. The Z06 not being M3 competition anyway.

        If $17k is a lot for you, that sucks. Where things get interesting is with a built motor and big boost but understandable that is a lot for people who need to call it quits on stock internals. Building these isn't cheap which is why we can count them on one hand. E46 M3 owners are spending much more than this though on an older platform for built motors and a turbo. Problem is guys are leasing or haven't even paid off their cars yet so they need to stick with parts they can remove as they don't even truly own the car yet.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
        To say the least, I got the scoop on your build (or at least the other side of the story) a while back at a huge meet here on the east by a couple sponsors/vendors.
        Oh, please, do share your supposed "scoop" on my build. I'm all ears.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Gotta agree on this.

        Why are there no 1000hp+ Ferraris? Those owners surely would have the money to get it done. But the 1000hp clients are in 99,9% people who live their lives a 1/4 at a time. And those are looking to achieve their goal with the best performance/$ ratio. And that ratio is in favor of US muscle cars, definitely. Those clients are not looking for the most refined, sophisticated cars and engines.
        Can a S65 be modded to the same power levels as the Mustang? Of course, but no one is in the market for that (except teh Sticky). Hell, a standard Corvette C6 engine is more efficient and as powerful as the S65. Kinda ridiculous when you compare it to all the bells and whistles of the S65. Then again no one will argue that the BMW offers a more refined interior, better quality etc. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
        There are 1000 whp Ferrari's and UGR is taking them further. What are you talking about?

        That is the point, can the S65 make just as much if not more power? Sure can.

        The C6 motor isn't more efficient, it's less efficient. It has more displacement. I think you are confusing efficiency with output. They make the same power but the S65 does it with 4.0 liters and "bells and whistles" as you call it.

        Yep, different strokes for different folks but doesn't change the fact the 5.0 is a value platform and therein lies its appeal. Modding an M3 is something the owners can't do and I love that.
      1. ERM324's Avatar
        ERM324 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Oh, please, do share your "scoop" on my build.
        ^lol, nice edit...put it this way, my car was parked in the gintani tent and one of the first questions I asked was what was the deal with drew's blown motor and your car thats been sitting collecting dust for a couple years..not my business to get involved I dont feel like starting $#@! on the internet
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        Built/Stroked LS3 vs Built/Stroked SS65

        Long block
        11k vs 26k
        Supercharger
        7k vs 15k
        transmission
        3k vs not sure....5k?

        output
        1200whp vs 800whp


        nuff said? Click here to enlarge
        Of course the LSX has more headroom. The topic is the Coyote. Focus.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        The m3 with a blower is a great car however thats where it stops. If you are talking about building monsters that trap 150 then all the things you like about the m3, the ride, interior, balance, ect is all thrown out the window either way. So whats the point again? Oh there is none, just get a different car if that is your goal.
        Thrown out based on what? It can trap 130 maintaining the interior, balance, etc., but not 150 with those same things? Why?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
        ^ is that why Gintani has so many stage 3s???? lmao we all knew that, still cant believe paul walkers ticking time bomb, thank god they caught that in time
        I kind of feel sorry for you hating on your own platform you have a tenuous grasp of.

        You think your motor is going to look any different? You think you have some magic setup that improves oil lubrication?

        You know it isn't a matter of being SC'd right although that will make the issue show quicker? You do know that was a track car right?

        Why so many Stage III's? Well, I don't know if it is all that many but seems Gintani has customers willing to spend money (let me guess, Paul Walker's car isn't running due to money issues right?) to push the platform.

        I wonder why Drew couldn't get those clutch discs working even with the magic ESS DCT programming? Oh, well, you probably know better so you tell me.