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    • Stock 2012 DCT M3 with rear section takes on a bolt on Mustang 5.0 from a roll

      The Mustang 5.0 is being compared to the M3 pretty frequently although these are not cross shopped cars. Understandable as the M3 is the benchmark and has been since 2008. The Mustang is a great performance value as it has and should be. Well, this 2012 M3 is stock except for a rear section exhaust but it is a dual clutch. The Mustang has an off-road H-pipe (meaning no cats), intake, tune, and exhaust.

      From a 40 mph roll the Mustang is able to pull a couple cars. From a lower speed roll the M3 is able to hold a slight advantage. The cars are close enough the weight of the passenger affects the outcome as well as the starting speed. Starting in first gear favors the M3 significantly on the shift. It is surprising though the Mustang was not stronger with a tune, intake, and exhaust as the M3 is basically stock although if it was a manual the 5.0 would have easily had its way with it passenger or no passenger and regardless of the starting speed.

      With a full exhaust and tune we would expect the M3 to pull relatively easily. Hopefully we see a rematch when the M3 has equal mods, enjoy the videos.


      Camera man in M3:

      Camera man in Mustang:
      This article was originally published in forum thread: 2011 Mustang 5.0 6speed (bolt ons) vs. e92 M3 DCT (exhaust) started by oddjob2021 View original post
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      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        Tomorrow is my last night. Why not make it mod for mod next week?
        i leave for mississippi monday, be back early april. when do you drive back, im going to ACM friday morning, but tune wont be here till friday. still a close run now though
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        i leave for mississippi monday, be back early april. when do you drive back, im going to ACM friday morning, but tune wont be here till friday. still a close run now though
        Im in cape may on friday, and heading home fully loaded with equipment/suitcases sometime in the afternoon.
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The Mustang is a car that looks and drive like $#@! from 2012 and is as advanced as one from 199X.

        How did the BMW get walked by the Coyote and LS engines?

        Ok, here: http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...85-V10-monster

        How far do you want to take it? Is anything Coyote powered running 6's? Nope. And I would take the S85 over your Coyote any day of the weak. It would take a fat dump on it.

        That just goes to show you the potential you can't seem to understand.
        Ah this is the 2000 Hp car you was talking about before impressive.
        Those are some big turbos.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        Ah this is the 2000 Hp car you was talking about before impressive.
        Those are some big turbos.
        Exactly.

        The problem isn't the motor not being able to make power. Take it out of the car, route everything with some huge turbos, use a Pectel, and it will $#@! all over basically anything out there just like the TT Gallardo's do.

        The issue is making the whole damn thing work in the car with all of BMW's electronic nonsense. If the M3, M5, M6, etc., were as sophisticated and expensive as a blender like the Mustang is we would see far more cool stuff like that twin turbo setup. For now, just a handful pushing it but it's cool, fun, and different. Done right, it's very strong.
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Exactly.

        The problem isn't the motor not being able to make power. Take it out of the car, route everything with some huge turbos, use a Pectel, and it will $#@! all over basically anything out there just like the TT Gallardo's do.

        The issue is making the whole damn thing work in the car with all of BMW's electronic nonsense. If the M3, M5, M6, etc., were as sophisticated and expensive as a blender like the Mustang is we would see far more cool stuff like that twin turbo setup. For now, just a handful pushing it but it's cool, fun, and different. Done right, it's very strong.
        Getting up there into the high 6 sec is pretty fast,Its close to some of the mustangs ,and other fast American cars.

        That's still fast as hell though.

        Sticky there is a VQ that's faster lol
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        Sticky there is a VQ that's faster lol
        Not because it's better.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Not because it's better.
        I dont think anyone is disputing that its built better...my ONLY concern is that its more powerful. I want to ask you ONE question @Sticky. All I want is a yes or no Answer. NO explanations as to why it might be a yes or no.

        IS there ANY BMW motor race or production that puts out more power than a fully Built LSX with EVERYTHING on it? basically is there a bmw motor making over 2000hp?
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Not because it's better.

        I didn't say that it was a joke lol.But with 4 less cylinder's It holds the world record for Nissan.

        In the end anything can be made fast like that though.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        I dont think anyone is disputing that its built better...my ONLY concern is that its more powerful. I want to ask you ONE question @Sticky . All I want is a yes or no Answer. NO explanations as to why it might be a yes or no.

        IS there ANY BMW motor race or production that puts out more power than a fully Built LSX with EVERYTHING on it? basically is there a bmw motor making over 2000hp?
        I don't think there is much of anything that puts out more power than a fully built LSX, so no. BMW's Formula 1 motors were close with just a little four cylinder though and that S85 twin turbo is right there.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        In the end anything can be made fast like that though.
        Exactly. Even M3's.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I don't think there is much of anything that puts out more power than a fully built LSX, so no. BMW's Formula 1 motors were close with just a little four cylinder though and that S85 twin turbo is right there.
        thats all i wanted to know, thank you Click here to enlarge
      1. rmat16's Avatar
        rmat16 -
        Sticky, I was looking into your car, when it suddenly struck me that it has been out commission for longer than the 5.0 Coyote has been on the market.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rmat16 Click here to enlarge
        Sticky, I was looking into your car, when it suddenly struck me that it has been out commission for longer than the 5.0 Coyote has been on the market.
        That may be accurate and an interesting point. If it was a Mustang GT it wouldn't be worth the wait. Click here to enlarge
      1. rmat16's Avatar
        rmat16 -
        You just could've probably owned both a new mid 9 second mustang, and a new 328i, or possibly even a base 135/335, for the price of what will most likely amount to a low 10 second car at best (race gas, slicks/radials, impractical suspension, etc.).

        I'd just like to know at what point it stops being worth the premium, both financially and with regards to the time and practicality/feasibility of actually making it happen. My good friend oddjob, even having only ASR upgraded turbos on a stock motor, is testament to this fact that one's own financial willingness isn't always enough when wanting to go above and beyond with BMW's (in terms of a relative time frame).

        Although at this point, having invested what you claim, you're probably better off paying any small/medium sized additional unplanned expense since it'll greatly increase the car's value when you decide to get rid of it.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rmat16 Click here to enlarge
        You just could've probably owned both a new mid 9 second mustang, and a new 328i, or possibly even a base 135/335, for the price of what will most likely amount to a low 10 second car at best (race gas, slicks/radials, impractical suspension, etc.).
        Low 10 second at best eh? Based on...?

        I can own a 9 second Mustang now and a 328i, so what?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rmat16 Click here to enlarge
        I'd just like to know at what point it stops being worth the premium, both financially and with regards to the time and practicality/feasibility of actually making it happen.
        I'm committed to seeing the project through and using the vehicle for marketing purposes. Don't you understand the purpose? Even the build itself generates interest for the site.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rmat16 Click here to enlarge
        My good friend oddjob, even having only ASR upgraded turbos on a stock motor, is testament to this fact that one's own financial willingness isn't always enough when wanting to go above and beyond with BMW's (in terms of a relative time frame).
        You are talking about ASR... come on now.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rmat16 Click here to enlarge
        Although at this point, having invested what you claim, you're probably better off paying any small/medium sized additional unplanned expense since it'll greatly increase the car's value when you decide to get rid of it.
        What unplanned expense would I have? This was all already paid for a while ago. Hell, I sold my first SC to pay for the for the built motor back in 2010 I think. This isn't any sort of major expense and the car is paid off so who cares? Not like I'm sitting here making payments for something I haven't driven. I bought a project car. It's taking a while but we are on the home stretch.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        That may be accurate and an interesting point. If it was a Mustang GT it would be done and crushing M3's already Click here to enlarge
        Corrected that for ya... Click here to enlarge
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Lol
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rmat16 Click here to enlarge
        You just could've probably owned both a new mid 9 second mustang, and a new 328i, or possibly even a base 135/335, for the price of what will most likely amount to a low 10 second car at best (race gas, slicks/radials, impractical suspension, etc.).

        I'd just like to know at what point it stops being worth the premium, both financially and with regards to the time and practicality/feasibility of actually making it happen. My good friend oddjob, even having only ASR upgraded turbos on a stock motor, is testament to this fact that one's own financial willingness isn't always enough when wanting to go above and beyond with BMW's (in terms of a relative time frame).

        Although at this point, having invested what you claim, you're probably better off paying any small/medium sized additional unplanned expense since it'll greatly increase the car's value when you decide to get rid of it.

        some people make smart decisions, some dont, ASR was not a wise choice
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Just had @Matt@AutoCouture swap my rear exhaust for a few reasons, This car is somehow a rocket now. it feels like i picked up 30+HP Sucks its gonna rain tomorrow, i was gonna hit ATco to get a MPH.

        If its dry in the AM, I guess ill try for some more 60-130's now
      1. ERM324's Avatar
        ERM324 -
        which exhaust did you get? only reason im keeping the gintani rear section is because alex said it gives a good 10-15whp on a supercharged s65