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    • Stock 2012 DCT M3 with rear section takes on a bolt on Mustang 5.0 from a roll

      The Mustang 5.0 is being compared to the M3 pretty frequently although these are not cross shopped cars. Understandable as the M3 is the benchmark and has been since 2008. The Mustang is a great performance value as it has and should be. Well, this 2012 M3 is stock except for a rear section exhaust but it is a dual clutch. The Mustang has an off-road H-pipe (meaning no cats), intake, tune, and exhaust.

      From a 40 mph roll the Mustang is able to pull a couple cars. From a lower speed roll the M3 is able to hold a slight advantage. The cars are close enough the weight of the passenger affects the outcome as well as the starting speed. Starting in first gear favors the M3 significantly on the shift. It is surprising though the Mustang was not stronger with a tune, intake, and exhaust as the M3 is basically stock although if it was a manual the 5.0 would have easily had its way with it passenger or no passenger and regardless of the starting speed.

      With a full exhaust and tune we would expect the M3 to pull relatively easily. Hopefully we see a rematch when the M3 has equal mods, enjoy the videos.


      Camera man in M3:

      Camera man in Mustang:

      This article was originally published in forum thread: 2011 Mustang 5.0 6speed (bolt ons) vs. e92 M3 DCT (exhaust) started by oddjob2021 View original post
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      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        ok.....now we walk into my neck of the woods....this statement is FALSE....strap a 2.9L whipple or 3.2L kb onto an 6.2?L LS3 and I can promise you whatever car its strapped to will trap OVER 130mph
        Preach...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        ok.....now we walk into my neck of the woods....this statement is FALSE....strap a 2.9L whipple or 3.2L kb onto an 6.2?L LS3 and I can promise you whatever car its strapped to will trap OVER 130mph
        I'm sure there are over 130 mph cars with a big enough blower but which LS motor was it with the weak cast rods that folded under boost? LS2? I think the LS7 has cast pistons as well.

        Regardless, look at this:



        Supercharged Camaro SS running what, 124? And the M3 is weak? It incredibly well for its displacement because of how well engineered the motor is as well as its use of technology in other areas like the transmission.

        No dual clutch in the Mustang or Camaro because the price would be too high for the average buyer and because these are brute force machines versus finesse/technology. The M3 has the best combination and why it is universally praised as the best.

        Idiotic argument really but whatever helps Mustang owners sleep better.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        i will show you what a stock block LS can do with a cam first....and then a bigger SC.....all of which is still cheaper than an m3 blower ALTOGETHER
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        impossible bro, the m3 is gods car. Keep waiting for the potential to get unleashed like a genie out of a lamp, you just got rub it a couple of times
        Ok look man, just give me a loan. Please, please?

        Just wire Gintani some cash and I'll have the car tomorrow. That's all that is standing in the way. Help me out, please?

        The M3 isn't God's car, it just unfairly gets under appreciated. I look forward to seeing you try to keep up with me. You couldn't do it with a 135, let's see if you can with a Mustang.
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Ughh you never quit and I won't go blow for blow on this... Here's my last comments to put this to bed on my end.

        That GT was granny shifted by the drivers on admission he didn't go balls out the M3 did. The GT is again as fast or right up an M3's ass in most every performance measurement. Who in the hell mentioned the Camaro, stay focused man...

        Better engineered when the Mustang has the far more technically advanced motor? Fine its a SRA vs the IRS in the M thats a decent advantage but yet the Mustang is on its ass anyway so much for engineering on that one but I see the point and yes the IRS rides better.

        Bottom line is deep down inside you want a Mustang GT and won't buy it purely for reasons of ego. And we ALL know I'm right... I'm gonna get back to Z06 shopping so I can whip all your assesClick here to enlarge

        lol, true story.
        Didnt inside line do a comparo with a pro driver? The 5.0 on $#@!ty 245 tires was .1 behind a comp pacage m3 on willow springs. Tire for tire, it will beat it.

        btw your z06 stands no chance against a dct m3, cmon you should know better based on this thread
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        i will show you what a stock block LS can do with a cam first....and then a bigger SC.....all of which is still cheaper than an m3 blower ALTOGETHER
        I think the price for performance surprises absolutely nobody. Doesn't change the fact M3's are quiet stout.

        It doesn't matter, I'm going to crap all over any of your guys cars with my M3. Which is much more fun than doing it with a Mustang or CTS-V.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        lol, true story.
        Didnt inside line do a comparo with a pro driver? The 5.0 on $#@!ty 245 tires was .1 behind a comp pacage m3 on willow springs. Tire for tire, it will beat it.

        btw your z06 stands no chance against a dct m3, cmon you should know better based on this thread
        Oh ya, M3 owners fear that solid rear axle on the road course.

        The M3 wasn't a DCT and secondly the M3 is only 4/10's off the pace of the 997 turbo around Laguna Seca.

        Give the M3 the proper tires as well and it doesn't have anything to worry about.
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Ok look man, just give me a loan. Please, please?

        Just wire Gintani some cash and I'll have the car tomorrow. That's all that is standing in the way. Help me out, please?

        The M3 isn't God's car, it just unfairly gets under appreciated. I look forward to seeing you try to keep up with me. You couldn't do it with a 135, let's see if you can with a Mustang.
        Couldnt do it with the 135? Didnt know that was my goal. A 80-90k modded m3 vs a 45k modded 135i? lol idiot.
        As for the loan, give me your address, Ill send it right over, you want it in your moms name so it can clear the bank asap or you need to wait?
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        LS7 = weak under high boost... Light boost is no problem.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I think the price for performance surprises absolutely nobody. Doesn't change the fact M3's are quiet stout.

        It doesn't matter, I'm going to crap all over any of your guys cars with my M3. Which is much more fun than doing it with a Mustang or CTS-V.

        i can promise you WILL NOT beat me in your m3....after my engine build you dont stand a CHANCE...and you know this.....my OLD tech fully built LSA vs your built S65....even if i have to spray you wont
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Oh ya, M3 owners fear that solid rear axle on the road course.

        The M3 wasn't a DCT and secondly the M3 is only 4/10's off the pace of the 997 turbo around Laguna Seca.

        Give the M3 the proper tires as well and it doesn't have anything to worry about.
        They should be, cause the boss cleaned it up. Kinda sad lmao.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        I got money on the V worked vs a blown M3 all day long...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Ughh you never quit and I won't go blow for blow on this... Here's my last comments to put this to bed on my end.

        That GT was granny shifted by the drivers on admission he didn't go balls out the M3 did. The GT is again as fast or right up an M3's ass in most every performance measurement. Who in the hell mentioned the Camaro, stay focused man...

        Better engineered when the Mustang has the far more technically advanced motor? Fine its a SRA vs the IRS in the M thats a decent advantage but yet the Mustang is on its ass anyway so much for engineering on that one but I see the point and yes the IRS rides better.

        Bottom line is deep down inside you want a Mustang GT and won't buy it purely for reasons of ego. And we ALL know I'm right... I'm gonna get back to Z06 shopping so I can whip all your assesClick here to enlarge

        So a GT meets up to race and "doesn't shift" balls out? The M3 was a dual clutch, it only shifts balls out. What happened, happened. I'd say the car with the smaller motor does a pretty good job don't you? The 5.0 with bolt on's should destroy it but it doesn't. One car sure is more impressive and it's not the Mustang.

        The Mustang has a more advanced motor? WTF are you talking about? How many awards has the S65 V8 received versus the Coyote? How about BMW in general? It isn't even a contest, BMW engineers are so far ahead it's a joke.

        I mentioned the Camaro to show that an M3 is very strong even with its smaller motor if it gets some boost. Discount it all you want, it has more than enough potential to hang with the big boys. We haven't even seen turbo S65's but considering turbo S85's are in the 2000 hp range what do you think would happen? Oh ya, sooooo much to fear from others and soooo weak.

        Bottom line is I bought the car I wanted and don't want a car everyone else can afford. What fun is that? I like having things other don't. That is part of the fun of it. I'm also into BMW's and always have been. I like my car and I can build my BMW to crap all over 99.9% of Mustangs out there. That's fine with me.

        I'll gladly take on your Z06 as well.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        im looking to have this kind of power just with a different FI option......you will get WALKED by this caddy and you know this

      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        I got money on the V worked vs a blown M3 all day long...
        Well he needs to build a car faster than stock internal M3's first.

        I think you are betting on the wrong side but that's your business.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Well he needs to build a car faster than stock internal M3's first.

        I think you are betting on the wrong side but that's your business.

        umm...my car is already faster than a stock m3 stock for stock...this has been proven
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Sticky vs the world.
        World>Sticky
        8 yeard old>Sticky
        s65 potential<Sticky
        At least you won one.....here's a sticker, take it on the heels cupcake
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        im looking to have this kind of power just with a different FI option......you will get WALKED by this caddy and you know this

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V6kyPrNXqk
        And that Caddy will get walked by this BMW:



        What now?
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        And that Caddy will get walked by this BMW:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M63QZuVY--s

        What now?
        And that bmw already got walked by the coyote and ls engines....your point? A car from 199x that looks and drives liek $#@!, good job.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        And that Caddy will get walked by this BMW:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M63QZuVY--s

        What now?
        what happened to the s65?....i dont see one in this vid....@Laloosh do you see one? @Sledgehammer do you?Click here to enlarge I DID however see a forged LSA in my post