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    • Stock 2012 DCT M3 with rear section takes on a bolt on Mustang 5.0 from a roll

      The Mustang 5.0 is being compared to the M3 pretty frequently although these are not cross shopped cars. Understandable as the M3 is the benchmark and has been since 2008. The Mustang is a great performance value as it has and should be. Well, this 2012 M3 is stock except for a rear section exhaust but it is a dual clutch. The Mustang has an off-road H-pipe (meaning no cats), intake, tune, and exhaust.

      From a 40 mph roll the Mustang is able to pull a couple cars. From a lower speed roll the M3 is able to hold a slight advantage. The cars are close enough the weight of the passenger affects the outcome as well as the starting speed. Starting in first gear favors the M3 significantly on the shift. It is surprising though the Mustang was not stronger with a tune, intake, and exhaust as the M3 is basically stock although if it was a manual the 5.0 would have easily had its way with it passenger or no passenger and regardless of the starting speed.

      With a full exhaust and tune we would expect the M3 to pull relatively easily. Hopefully we see a rematch when the M3 has equal mods, enjoy the videos.


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      This article was originally published in forum thread: 2011 Mustang 5.0 6speed (bolt ons) vs. e92 M3 DCT (exhaust) started by oddjob2021 View original post
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      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Well the offroad x pipe and intake will be here Friday. Should be good for 410-420 to the rear with that and a revised tune for the bigger intake housing. Im going to also get some lower control arms and relocation brackets to eliminate all wheel hop and that should be it for now. In a month or so, boss intake manifold and it should be a 430-435 120 car. Going after 11s on street tires Click here to enlarge
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      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -


        this one is more impressive, best off all you buy the blower directly from ford. 9s, stock engine. s65 what? lol
      1. rmat16's Avatar
        rmat16 -
        Sticky, I'm sorry for going so very OT with this post, but people like you are the reason BMW drivers are stereotyped..
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        But if you're logic is that the Ford GT driver paid double, isn't that the effective point of this whole Mustang GT vs M3 argument... A fully loaded 2013 Mustang GT is roughly $36.5K (Track Pack, Recaro's, Technology Pack, All weather mats yada, yada,yada) and a fully loaded 2012 M3 fully loaded (Comp pkg, Premium Pkg, Cold Weather Pkg, DCT, Dynamic Dampers etc...) is $76.6k.

        Thats a price difference of $40K more than the Mustang GT's fully loaded price. You just proved the entire point of this debate IMHO... Why buy a M3 when you could get near identical performance for $40K less? Because that snobby owner will want the technology or the comforts or panache of a M3. And most M owners think their cars are the tits over any other car, along with being faster cause it costs more than some and better than some more expensive.

        In an all race motor setup currently the 5.4 motor has seen in excess of 2000hp, the Coyote has not been pushed that far yet most seem to be hitting around 900-1100rwhp with forged internals/boost/stock cams. Cams are hitting the market now with good results I would expect to see some 12-1300rwhp Coyote's in the coming weeks/months.


        Yes, part of the argument is money. The thing is, the M3 and Mustang are both much more similar vehicles than the Ford GT is to either. Secondly, money is a big factor as you can see and people buy the Mustang versus an M3 to modify for value for the most part. I don't see GT owners cross shopping supercharged and built motor M3's as those are out of their budget. Yep, the M3 is just about double. I like that.

        Why buy an M3 when you could get a Mustang? You seriously need explanation for this? Why by an Aston AMV8 when you could get a Corvette?

        I'm not asking you what has been done I'm asking you what you think has more potential ultimately, the Coyote or the 5.4?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rmat16 Click here to enlarge
        Sticky, I'm sorry for going so very OT with this post, but people like you are the reason BMW drivers are stereotyped..
        Oh for sure but at least I understand the reasoning for it. The majority of them are just leasing and just want the badge though, I don't fall into that category. I don't think I'm like the majority but can understand certain similarities regarding the stereotypes of BMW owners.
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Id take the vette any day, even if they were the same price.
        You like the fact that you paid double, good, get the economy going. Buy another one this way you can finally drive a m3 again.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        Id take the vette any day, even if they were the same price.
        You like the fact that you paid double, good, get the economy going. Buy another one this way you can finally drive a m3 again.
        I feel for you that an M3 and modification is a big expense and you can't afford to have an M3 and Porsche at the same time. Not counting my other cars but don't even need to.

        See, for you it's a "car." Hence why you have to get the best value. For me, it's a toy and just "another car." I mean I'm building it primarily for exposure for the website anyway and however long it takes it doesn't even matter or affect me negatively.

        Regardless, I made my choice and that is I would rather modify an M3 highly than drive a Mustang. I can do both, you can only do one. I love that there is nothing you can do about it.
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Lol how little you know about me. People whi flaunt their finances usually dont have much....keep responding please, it only lets more users see what a prick you are.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        Lol how little you know about me. People whi flaunt their finances usually dont have much....keep responding please, it only lets more users see what a prick you are.
        Ah, I'm the prick because I respond to baseless comments you made about me? Makes total sense and that sure makes me the prick.

        Money is your big problem and sticking point it seems. Please, try to throw some more things out there and see if you can get something to stick. Hah, rhymes with prick.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Yes, part of the argument is money. The thing is, the M3 and Mustang are both much more similar vehicles than the Ford GT is to either. Secondly, money is a big factor as you can see and people buy the Mustang versus an M3 to modify for value for the most part. I don't see GT owners cross shopping supercharged and built motor M3's as those are out of their budget. Yep, the M3 is just about double. I like that.

        Why buy an M3 when you could get a Mustang? You seriously need explanation for this? Why by an Aston AMV8 when you could get a Corvette?

        I'm not asking you what has been done I'm asking you what you think has more potential ultimately, the Coyote or the 5.4?
        You're all over the place here Sticky but lets do this again.

        1. I clearly stated HP numbers for each motor, that clearly shows which has the greatest potential.
        2. I merely pointed out the spending the money for a M3 gets you a perception, not necessarily a faster car.
        3. The Ford GT is not cross shopped by M3 buyers since one is no longer in production and even if it were they are not comparable. I was referencing again the money issue since the car was brought up.
        4. No I do not need an explanation I gave you one already, read the post bro.

        Bottom line is the Mustang GT which is the base Mustang kicks the M3 (Top of the line) butt or gets in its ass in most every performance test. The Boss gets in front of it and stays there, the GT500 whips its ass and still does so for less money. The Mustang is not exactly a bare bones car with options like MySync, Glass Roofs, Competition Packages, Reacaro seating and Brembo brakes. Not exactly sparse or for that matter uncomfortable. Bias is usually the baseless assumption of superiority.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        You're all over the place here Sticky but lets do this again.
        Perhaps, there are a few different things going on in this thread.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        1. I clearly stated HP numbers for each motor, that clearly shows which has the greatest potential.
        Achieved HP figures show who has the most potential? But then you just stated the Coyote is new.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        2. I merely pointed out the spending the money for a M3 gets you a perception, not necessarily a faster car.
        I really don't need to be told the M3 is not the highest horsepower platform in the world. It is, however, very strong and underrated. That is partially due to its motor that responds to boost very well.

        Are we forgetting the M3 is a 130 mph car with just a blower? Doesn't the Camaro SS even with its 6.2 liter LS3 with a bolt on blower struggle to hit these figures? That speaks pretty highly of it I think. Another way to look at it is more power than a ZR-1 for less money. Looks good in that context.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        3. The Ford GT is not cross shopped by M3 buyers since one is no longer in production and even if it were they are not comparable. I was referencing again the money issue since the car was brought up.
        I'm agreeing with you. The money would be a factor in that comparison as well. The Ford GT can still be purchased secondhand of course but it's price is basically holding at double the M3's. These just are not cross shopped.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Bottom line is the Mustang GT which is the base Mustang kicks the M3 (Top of the line) butt or gets in its ass in most every performance test.
        What tests are you looking at? Just in this thread alone we see an M3 with no tune holding off a bolt on GT from a roll. With its smaller motor with supposedly less potential.

        The only direct comparison I have seen between the GT and the M3 was two manuals and they were basically even performance wise although it was clearly stated the M3 was the better car as it is, all around.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        The Boss gets in front of it and stays there, the GT500 whips its ass and still does so for less money.
        BMW doesn't produce a supercharged M3. If they did, my car when blown would have whiped its ass with the GT500. The GT500 previously was barely even faster than the M3 with a smaller V8 and a blower. Ok, now they upped the ante. And? This doesn't mean the M3 doesn't have the potential to compete.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Bias is usually the baseless assumption of superiority.
        No, the M3 is simply a superior vehicle with better engineering. This is why everyone compares everything to it and the car has basically stood pat since its introduction and it is still the best in class. A class that does not have the Mustang in it because no C63, M3, or RS5/RS4 shopper gives a $#@! about it.
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Ah, I'm the prick because I respond to baseless comments you made about me? Makes total sense and that sure makes me the prick.

        Money is your big problem and sticking point it seems. Please, try to throw some more things out there and see if you can get something to stick. Hah, rhymes with prick.

        Money is not a problem for us, keep responding though.
        So for facts:
        You never made anything of yourself
        You are most likly in your late 20s living at home, blogging
        You flaunt cars that arnt yours
        You can't pay shops to finish builds.
        You flaunt some more


        In for the 2 page response that I wont read
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        So for facts:
        You never made anything of yourself
        You are most likly in your late 20s living at home, blogging
        You flaunt cars that arnt yours
        You can't pay shops to finish builds.
        You flaunt some more
        Ah, these are facts. You post facts as "most likely" hahahaha? Seriously?

        I love how mad at me you get. Obviously because "money is not a problem for us" right?

        You would just love to keep throwing whatever out there hoping you land something eh? Just blindly shooting in the dark hoping and praying eh?

        Your posts are kind of sad and reeking of desperation trying oh so hard to attack me instead of even focus on the topic. I didn't realize how fragile you were. Click here to enlarge
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Not mad, just trying to get you to respond, keep it up. You are doing great champ.
        Start your life kid, you are drowning in failure and this place seems to be your make believe world where you can actually pretend to be someone you are not.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        Not mad, just trying to get you to respond, keep it up. You are doing great champ.
        It's not hard when you make it this easy.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        Start your life kid, you are drowning in failure and this place seems to be your make believe world where you can actually pretend to be someone you are not.
        Ohhhhh, well since I can tell you know me oh so well from, um, basically no interaction, I better take your advice. I'm not even sure what I should or should not pretend? Please, do go on.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Are we forgetting the M3 is a 130 mph car with just a blower? Doesn't the Camaro SS even with its 6.2 liter LS3 with a bolt on blower struggle to hit these figures? That speaks pretty highly of it I think. Another way to look at it is more power than a ZR-1 for less money. Looks good in that context.
        ok.....now we walk into my neck of the woods....this statement is FALSE....strap a 2.9L whipple or 3.2L kb onto an 6.2?L LS3 and I can promise you whatever car its strapped to will trap OVER 130mph
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It's not hard when you make it this easy.



        Ohhhhh, well since I can tell you know me oh so well from, um, basically no interaction, I better take your advice. I'm not even sure what I should or should not pretend? Please, do go on.
        Thats bad, now you are confused in your fantasy world as well? Yell downstairs real quick, tell mom to call the doc.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Perhaps, there are a few different things going on in this thread.



        Achieved HP figures show who has the most potential? But then you just stated the Coyote is new.



        I really don't need to be told the M3 is not the highest horsepower platform in the world. It is, however, very strong and underrated. That is partially due to its motor that responds to boost very well.

        Are we forgetting the M3 is a 130 mph car with just a blower? Doesn't the Camaro SS even with its 6.2 liter LS3 with a bolt on blower struggle to hit these figures? That speaks pretty highly of it I think. Another way to look at it is more power than a ZR-1 for less money. Looks good in that context.



        I'm agreeing with you. The money would be a factor in that comparison as well. The Ford GT can still be purchased secondhand of course but it's price is basically holding at double the M3's. These just are not cross shopped.



        What tests are you looking at? Just in this thread alone we see an M3 with no tune holding off a bolt on GT from a roll. With its smaller motor with supposedly less potential.

        The only direct comparison I have seen between the GT and the M3 was two manuals and they were basically even performance wise although it was clearly stated the M3 was the better car as it is, all around.

        Woulda, coulda, shoulda on the Blown Factory M3 thing...



        BMW doesn't produce a supercharged M3. If they did, my car when blown would have whiped its ass with the GT500. The GT500 previously was barely even faster than the M3 with a smaller V8 and a blower. Ok, now they upped the ante. And? This doesn't mean the M3 doesn't have the potential to compete.



        No, the M3 is simply a superior vehicle with better engineering. This is why everyone compares everything to it and the car has basically stood pat since its introduction and it is still the best in class. A class that does not have the Mustang in it because no C63, M3, or RS5/RS4 shopper gives a $#@! about it.
        Ughh you never quit and I won't go blow for blow on this... Here's my last comments to put this to bed on my end.

        That GT was granny shifted by the drivers on admission he didn't go balls out the M3 did. The GT is again as fast or right up an M3's ass in most every performance measurement. Who in the hell mentioned the Camaro, stay focused man...

        Better engineered when the Mustang has the far more technically advanced motor? Fine its a SRA vs the IRS in the M thats a decent advantage but yet the Mustang is on its ass anyway so much for engineering on that one but I see the point and yes the IRS rides better.

        Bottom line is deep down inside you want a Mustang GT and won't buy it purely for reasons of ego. And we ALL know I'm right... I'm gonna get back to Z06 shopping so I can whip all your assesClick here to enlarge
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        ok.....now we walk into my neck of the woods....this statement is FALSE....strap a 2.9L whipple or 3.2L kb onto an 6.2?L LS3 and I can promise you whatever car its strapped to will trap OVER 130mph
        impossible bro, the m3 is gods car. Keep waiting for the potential to get unleashed like a genie out of a lamp, you just got rub it a couple of times