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    • Stock 2012 DCT M3 with rear section takes on a bolt on Mustang 5.0 from a roll

      The Mustang 5.0 is being compared to the M3 pretty frequently although these are not cross shopped cars. Understandable as the M3 is the benchmark and has been since 2008. The Mustang is a great performance value as it has and should be. Well, this 2012 M3 is stock except for a rear section exhaust but it is a dual clutch. The Mustang has an off-road H-pipe (meaning no cats), intake, tune, and exhaust.

      From a 40 mph roll the Mustang is able to pull a couple cars. From a lower speed roll the M3 is able to hold a slight advantage. The cars are close enough the weight of the passenger affects the outcome as well as the starting speed. Starting in first gear favors the M3 significantly on the shift. It is surprising though the Mustang was not stronger with a tune, intake, and exhaust as the M3 is basically stock although if it was a manual the 5.0 would have easily had its way with it passenger or no passenger and regardless of the starting speed.

      With a full exhaust and tune we would expect the M3 to pull relatively easily. Hopefully we see a rematch when the M3 has equal mods, enjoy the videos.


      Camera man in M3:

      Camera man in Mustang:

      This article was originally published in forum thread: 2011 Mustang 5.0 6speed (bolt ons) vs. e92 M3 DCT (exhaust) started by oddjob2021 View original post
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      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        Let me give you some numbers:

        S65 + 7 psi = 600HP
        Coyote + 8.5 psi = 600HP
        What are these numbers from ?
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        Its not theoretical....there are 1500whp stangs and camaros and fbodies and vettes and vipers etc...they exist they are on the road....they are real....
        Seems the man could be right, these two are in NYC right now on the streets...

      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
        Seems the man could be right, these two are in NYC right now on the streets...

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSrW0...layer_embedded
        The vette has been "Terminated"
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        I maintain that Vette is all over the road and he can't control it... Others vehemently disagree with me LOL, but yeah in those runs that Termi is getting it done.
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        That's wast two sick carsClick here to enlarge

        In other news the S65 has the potential to beat every other engine out there foreign or domestic.

        I said the potential it's just that bad ass.Click here to enlarge
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        What are these numbers from ?
        Vortech website. Both have V3 si blowers.
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        Let me give you some numbers:

        S65 + 7 psi = 600HP
        Coyote + 8.5 psi = 600HP
        Lol psi means nothing sir. The stock ngine that broke 1000whp was running 13 btw
      1. ERM324's Avatar
        ERM324 -
        With enough money you can make ANY engine as fast as you want - realistically, though, the American engines such as the 5.0 and the LS engines have the better bang for the buck power wise and have more potential (much more R&D because of a bigger aftermarket crowd for american cars than euro) than the euro imho
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
        With enough money you can make ANY engine as fast as you want - realistically, though, the American engines such as the 5.0 and the LS engines have the better bang for the buck power wise and have more potential (much more R&D because of a bigger aftermarket crowd for american cars than euro) than the euro imho
        Thats a valid statement you can do damn near anything you want to the LS motors... They make dumb power without to much issue for the most part. That motor is being swapped into BMW's, Nissan's, Mazda's, Ford's and used in all manner of kit car/replica vehicles. Money is key but when you consider that for $7k installed you can get 550rwhp in most any Vette its hard to beat.

        The Euro cars will almost always offer more cache in their cars from a styling, ergonomics standpoint. Its funny when I think of my ultimate car almost none of them use their original motor.

        E36 M3 with a LS6
        FD3 RX7 with a LS7
        Mustang Notch with a Turbo LS3
      1. rmat16's Avatar
        rmat16 -
        At the end of the day, the 5.0 Coyote's greater potential boils down to its 25% additional displacement. Though that may not translate into an equal amount of additional horsepower, it inarguably allows for some.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rmat16 Click here to enlarge
        At the end of the day, the 5.0 Coyote's greater potential boils down to its 25% additional displacement. Though that may not translate into an equal amount of additional horsepower, it inarguably allows for some.
        True eventually displacement rules but the S65 can be taken to 4.7 liters.
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Still not 5.0 though and unlike redline, displacement actually matters
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        Still not 5.0 though and unlike redline, displacement actually matters
        Close enough that the displacement becomes a wash and at that point I'll take the better heads, valvetrain, and curve.
      1. rmat16's Avatar
        rmat16 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Close enough that the displacement becomes a wash and at that point I'll the better heads, valvetrain, and curve.
        This theoretical S65 owner seems to have much deeper pockets than the Coyote's..
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rmat16 Click here to enlarge
        This theoretical S65 owner seems to have much deeper pockets than the Coyote's..
        He'll need them but yes, this also separates an M3 owner from the majority of Coyote owners. I have no problem spending more than they can. Frankly, I like to remind them of it.
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Thats funny cause lets be real your car is down For two years cause money is tight. No build takes two years if the money is there, its not nasa its a m3. And as for heads, you stand no chance either.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        Thats funny cause lets be real your car is down For two years cause money is tight.
        Oh, so that's why my free trans build took so long?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        No build takes two years if the money is there, its not nasa its a m3.
        Well damn, guess everyone has money problems. I see a stroker motor that has taken longer. I see a DCT trans that was supposed to get the same clutch discs yet it couldn't get them to work for some odd reason... not to mention S85 supercharger kit development has taken longer than all of this. But hey, you have all the answers on the topics you barely even know of.

        Good thing you are a poster who wouldn't try to speak definitively about issues he doesn't know. Do me a favor though, pick up the phone, and ask any vendor who has touched this car if any delay has been a financial reason on my part. Get as real as you want, let me know if you need me to google numbers for you.

        If money was tight, I'd drive what you drive. Let's be real, that is the difference after all, isn't it? I can build an M3 for two years for giggles and you can't. Isn't this what makes Mustang owners so happy? That cheaper and easier performance justifies not being able to have as good of an all around package that is much more expensive? Even if everyone can have one? That is the Mustang calling card is it not? Value? I know I wouldn't buy one to show off.

        Back to the cars though, points made stand regarding the motors. The Coyote is the best they have done in a long time and very nice but if we just chose what could make more power you really have nothing to stand on. Any disparity is a function of market and not ability.
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Based on power alone you are so off the chart it is not even funny. As for you bloating your finances please move out your parents house and accomplish something for yourself already. Pay the people working on your car and actually do something with it besides talking about how awesome it is cause honestly no s65 has done $#@! yet. 11s and 130 traps....whooptie $#@!en doo.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        As for you bloating your finances please move out your parents house and accomplish something for yourself already.
        Ya I hate keeping my parents up this late. I'm sure they get annoyed.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        Pay the people working on your car and actually do something with it besides talking about how awesome it is cause honestly no s65 has done $#@! yet. 11s and 130 traps....whooptie $#@!en doo.
        I should pay them finally? How much more do I have to give in advance? Please tell me a number. Hell, call them up and find out for me.

        No S65 has done anything, 11's? I used to think when you were arguing you might have at least some idea as to what you are talking about. They ran 10's a while ago. We're trying to get to the built motor stages now and push things considerably from the already impressive results on stock high compression internals.

        Maybe if more people could afford these cars and maybe if the parts were cheaper and the tuners were more plentiful with far more open ECU's and easier technology employed we would see things done faster. Development on these platforms takes longer. Thankfully we have people like yourself with the resources and commitment to advance the platform. Just kidding, that's another difference between you and I. And yet another reason I don't have a 5.0 Mustang.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
        Based on power alone you are so off the chart it is not even funny
        Oh, so a fully maxed Coyote and fully maxed out S65 will differ in some huge amount? You failing to even understand the capability of either motor and completely discounting the motor you have a very shaky foundation on at best just goes to show extreme bias and ignorance. You get in this mode, it kind of reminds me why a lot of your posts are pointless gibberish and baseless arguing.
      1. Laloosh's Avatar
        Laloosh -
        Once again theoretical numbers. Show me these 65s that actually make power. No one in their right mind would dump so much money into a m3 only to get cleaned up by other cars. Platform wont advance cause its useless for the price not because people dont have the money people simply arnt stupid.