• ESS Tuning VT2-625 supercharged 2011 E92 DCT M3 hits a new S65 trap speed record of 132.26

      Congratulations to BimmerBoost member Ricky (ERM324) who set a new S65 V8 trap speed record at the ATCO drag strip in New Jersey this past Sunday. The E92 M3 has a dual clutch transmission and was run on 100 octane with drag radials and a Gintani full exhaust. The 60 foot on the record trap run was 2.148 (the DCT is very finicky to launch) which means there is plenty of room to improve the ET and this is most definitely a 10 second car with a good launch.

      This now makes for the second M3 supercharger kit company to crack the 130 mph barrier boost only. It would seem the stock internal limit with a blower is the 10 second and low 130 MPH range. Congratulations to ERM324 and it is great to see more cars clear the 130 mark and raise the trap speed bar in the process.





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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Also I have no idea what you were saying about the impellers being the same because they aren't. I don't think they do the T-trim impeller in the V3 casing.
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        Sticky do you even know what kind of bearings the stock vortech's come with and what there rated to ? Pleas tell me I await your answer because I know whats in them.

        What I mean by impeller's being the same is look at the V3 Si vs the V1 Si same impeller do you know the difference in the units? I do I would like you to tell me.Because you did say in a earlier post that I dont know what I talking about.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        In practical application the difference between the two is greater when you max them. Here, the domestic guys know their $#@!:

        i think the s trim is about 600hp or so and the T trim is about 800hp
        well, maybe closer to rwhp than not - an s trim can hit 550 rwhp - maybe 575, and a t trim i think can realistically hit 650-700rwhp
        yeah.. the T i'm buying off a buddy he had it at 680RWHP, but upgraded to a JT and sold me his. i'm hitting 550RWHP with my S trim.
        Another thing to consider:

        The difference between the V3 and the V1 & V2 is the fact that the V3 oil is self contained. I generally would stay away from these for the most part because oil that actually is pulled from the oil pan is actually cooler. This will make the centri run a tad bit cooler.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        Sticky do you even know what kind of bearings the stock vortech's come with and what there rated to ? Pleas tell me I await your answer because I know whats in them.

        What I mean by impeller's being the same is look at the V3 Si vs the V1 Si same impeller do you know the difference in the units? I do I would like you to tell me.Because you did say in a earlier post that I dont know what I talking about.
        You don't seem to know what you are talking about thus far as you essentially say Vortech's own specs are wrong.

        I don't know who they source their bearings from. All I know is they rate the T-trim higher and people overspin it way more than the V3 si.... soo seems their specs are right?
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Also I have no idea what you were saying about the impellers being the same because they aren't. I don't think they do the T-trim impeller in the V3 casing.

        Again your going to domestic cars as a example I under stand why beacuse there is no where else to go. Also to answer your question on witch one I would choose SI or T trim. It would depend on application domestic V8 T Trim for the right price. A import S65 or VQ motor Si all day long, thats just me there so close on these types of engines. I would put a 928 impeller in a V3 and take the T Trim out to lunch even though it has its a bigger inlet lol.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        Again your going to domestic cars as a example I under stand why beacuse there is no where else to go
        Exactly they have all the info on these blowers but it's not like on an M3 the V3 is all of a sudden going to reverse the trend. Vortech rates the T-trim higher, guys make more power with the T-trim, it simply is the more powerful blower.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        A import S65 or VQ motor Si all day long, thats just me there so close on these types of engines.
        Why? For what possible reason?

        2 T-trim setups hit 130 in the 1/4 boost only. First one did it over two years ago. Just now an Si setup on race gas likely with a race tune on who knows what boost finally cracked the 130 barrier at one of the fastest tracks in the country spinning heavily on multiple tries. Doesn't that tell you something about what kind of CFM you need to move on this motor?
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You don't seem to know what you are talking about thus far as you essentially say Vortech's own specs are wrong.

        I don't know who they source their bearings from. All I know is they rate the T-trim higher and people overspin it way more than the V3 si.... soo seems their specs are right?
        Again your going fully by whats on the web site I bet you didnt even know there was a V3 T Trim.

        Ok sense you didnt know what the bearings in the Si or T Trim are rated to I will give you a little infor 59k RPm's I wont tell you the name brand since you say I dont know what I am talking about lol.

        I use to be a big supercharger guy love vortech's I am moving on to twins turbo's now so I will entertain you for a little while longer.

        I will ask you this much since I cant find the info anywhere what are you M3's guys spinning the blowers at do you even know ? I dont care if it's a ESS or Gintani kit. I would like to know for my own reason's.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        Again your going fully by whats on the web site I bet you didnt even know there was a V3 T Trim.
        I don't really see what blowers Vortech may or may not have changes the specs for the ones we are actually discussing.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        Ok sense you didnt know what the bearings in the Si or T Trim are rated to I will give you a little infor 59k RPm's I wont tell you the name brand since you say I dont know what I am talking about lol.
        Tell me the name brand if you want?

        Guys have been spinning their T-trim's past 60,000....

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        I will ask you this much since I cant find the info anywhere what are you M3's guys spinning the blowers at do you even know ? I dont care if it's a ESS or Gintani kit. I would like to know for my own reason's.
        I know what I will be spinning my YSI at but I have no idea what pulleys some of these guys are running so no clue what they are spinning theirs too. Regardless, you do know the max boost will be far less on a motor with a high volumetric efficiency right?

        The built motor setups some of these guys are doing still use the V3 Si. The game is already over before it began.
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I don't really see what blowers Vortech may or may not have changes the specs for the ones we are actually discussing.



        Tell me the name brand if you want?

        Guys have been spinning their T-trim's past 60,000....



        I know what I will be spinning my YSI at but I have no idea what pulleys some of these guys are running so no clue what they are spinning it too. Regardless, you do know the max boost will be far less on a motor with a high volumetric efficiency right?

        I know guys have been spinning the T Trims past 60,000 Rpms for years.Both Dynos I should you from the 350z's are both spun over 60k.This just proves what I was talking about before you can over spin them all day on a Street car.


        Yes I know the boost will be far less on a motor with high VE,I am curious as hell to see what your car does I am a car guy at heart. If I was you I would take that YSI on your car and spin it to 70k all day long ,and not worry about it. You will hit that max RPM up top before you shift then right back down.

        Just get your belts down tight cog 8 rib or 10 rib ,and you should be good.
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        I also agree built motor SI means chuck it I would then go staight to a YSI but not a T Trim.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        I know guys have been spinning the T Trims past 60,000 Rpms for years.Both Dynos I should you from the 350z's are both spun over 60k.This just proves what I was talking about before you can over spin them all day on a Street car.
        Um, ok? I thought I was the one saying they can be overspun in street cars?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        Yes I know the boost will be far less on a motor with high VE,I am curious as hell to see what your car does I am a car guy at heart. If I was you I would take that YSI on your car and spin it to 70k all day long ,and not worry about it. You will hit that max RPM up top before you shift then right back down.
        We will see what happens. I already want a bigger blower but let's see what it can do with a maxed YSI.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        I also agree built motor SI means chuck it I would then go staight to a YSI but not a T Trim.
        But the point also is the T-trim will do better than the V3 Si on a built motor...
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        But the point also is the T-trim will do better than the V3 Si on a built motor...
        I T Trim would be better by a little,there both a waste if you ask me though

        A easy impeller swap for the SI, it would have just as much power as the T Trim on the low end.It also will out flow it up top and its rated to 60k.It also has been tested to 70k failure.

        I Know I would do If I had a M3.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I never got someone with an ESS kit or any other "kit" to ever run heads up
        Tell Gintani to send me a kit at a REALLY good price, and ill get that done for us Click here to enlarge
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        I T Trim would be better by a little,there both a waste if you ask me though

        A easy impeller swap for the SI, it would have just as much power as the T Trim on the low end.It also will out flow it up top and its rated to 60k.It also has been tested to 70k failure.

        I Know I would do If I had a M3.
        i dont see how taking ones own words, finding the truth or not truth in them, and debating reality is talking too much, but OK, im game. Funny thing is all of the peopelon your list have already run eachother w/o the drama, must be a different variable in there.. Click here to enlarge
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        i dont see how taking ones own words, finding the truth or not truth in them, and debating reality is talking too much, but OK, im game. Funny thing is all of the peopelon your list have already run eachother w/o the drama, must be a different variable in there.. Click here to enlarge
        I think you have a short memory,this last go around that started up with ERM and Nismo started with you talking first.

        I also havent forgotten how you tried to sneak us last year as street wars.Click here to enlarge

        I wont try to sneak up on you,trust me you will know when I am coming.

        There wont be drama with me just some good ol runs for fun.

        I also give you guys credit for you guys getting runs in without isssues
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Lol, you say sneak you guys like I was trying to fight. Just trying to get a run in is all.. at the time it was " just a stg1, 6 psi pumpgas run" funny how now its 6,8, or even 12 psi- if he has racefuel.. not that I actually care, but I was set on showing what we all knew, which was its all BS. But thats in the past. Now we just want to see everyone run everyone else now.. at maximum potential
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Lol, you say sneak you guys like I was trying to fight. Just trying to get a run in is all.. at the time it was " just a stg1, 6 psi pumpgas run" funny how now its 6,8, or even 12 psi- if he has racefuel.. not that I actually care, but I was set on showing what we all knew, which was its all BS. But thats in the past. Now we just want to see everyone run everyone else now.. at maximum potential
        I know it was for a run man ,and not to fight lol.As far as nismo's set up back then thats all he had was 6 pound spring in the car. Now he has a boost contoller with higher boost settings.

        One thing you have to remember is Nismo and my set up will be very different.

        We use different dyno's different tuners,you already know where I go you dynoed there.
      1. DBFIU's Avatar
        DBFIU -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
        One more thing where do you get 100 hp difference last I check 825 peak T Trim to 775 SI.Thats what 50 lol not almost 100 hp.These are peak numbers by the way not every engine will get there because of a lot of factors.

        Your S65 M3 as a example will never get to the max of a YSI 1200 hp no where near it. You would have to stroke it just to have a shot. So your example of almost 100 hp difference is flawed big time.
        The S65 can max the YSi and here is why.


        Maximum boost rated by Vortech, about 30 psi.

        Maximum flow rated by Vortech, about 1600 CFM.

        Approximate power output rated by vortech, 1200 hp.
        Attachment 15821



        A few calculations later An S65 at redline running 29 psi boost and 1594 CFM can produce an estimated 1182 crank HP.


        Attachment 15820
      1. Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
        Mr.Squeeze -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
        The S65 can max the YSi and here is why.


        Maximum boost rated by Vortech, about 30 psi.

        Maximum flow rated by Vortech, about 1600 CFM.

        Approximate power output rated by vortech, 1200 hp.
        Attachment 15821



        A few calculations later An S65 at redline running 29 psi boost and 1594 CFM can produce an estimated 1182 crank HP.


        Attachment 15820
        I know the S65 can max out the YSI I never said it couldnt.Vortech are built for domestic cars with lower VE I know that.

        I would love to see a S65 get to 1182 crank horse power, I doubt it unless you stroke it though.