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    • BMW cancels the 335 diesel for the F30 3 series generation in favor of a hybrid model, the 2012 BMW ActiveHybrid 3

      And the good news from BMW just continues to roll in. Was it not bad enough the US will not get the M550d, X5 M50d, or X6 M50d? To make matters worse, one of the few diesel options we actually had in the USA from BMW is now being taken away from us. Why? BMW wants us to buy their upcoming hybrid 3 series instead. They are slowly conditioning the US market toward electric powertrains it seems in preparation for the all electric "i" brand. So, the 335d is axed in favor of a hybrid.

      BMW does not seem to pay attention to the fact the hybrid models are not selling. The X6 hybrid was cancelled last year. Diesel BMW models on the other hand sell out very quickly and are in high demand. Is someone at BMWNA playing a cruel joke or just getting high and flipping coins to make business decisions?

      The ActiveHybrid 3 will have an N55 six cylinder in addition to a 55 horsepower electric motor. We hope it falls on its face just like the X6 and we get our diesel back.


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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by thegreatscott Click here to enlarge
        I really hoped they did not cancelled this bmw 335 diesel, im really hoping for his one and then they cancelled it im slight disappointed because diesel is cheaper but it's ok. I'm not bitter or anything and i dont hate the hybrid one but im not really a fan of hybrid cars.
        They are pushing the hybrid on us instead.
      1. bmwsport's Avatar
        bmwsport -
        Disregarding how electricity is generated, electric cars are inherently efficient compared to internal combustion engines. A gallon of gas has about 33kw in energy. A 24kWh electric car battery only holds a little more than 2/3 of a gallon of gas stored energy. Yet an average electric car could go 80 miles on that 2/3 gallon of gas equivalent. Hence the 100mpge ratings.

        Electric vehicle costs are still so expensive, you will find it difficult to justify the costs. At $27K RAV4 becomes a $50k electric RAV4. At $19K Honda Fit becomes a $38K electric Honda Fit. A Nissan Leaf is nearly $40K with Nissan losing about $20k per car. Chevy says it is losing nearly $40k per car when selling its $40K+ Chevy Volt. So were it not for the CAFE regulations, and California ZEV mandates, we probably wouldn't have any electric cars.

        But on the other hand, putting just 16 (250watt) solar panels on your roof in So Cal will power the average electric car over 18000 miles a year. Pretty amazing how the sun can power your car like that. All this with free sun energy. Well "free" energy once you pay for the $25000 solar panel array, lol. The Fed Gov will help pay for 1/3 of your solar panel system , and $7500 off of your electric car though. They technology is there to reduce our oil dependence, but the costs are still prohibitive for the most part.
      1. BigM62's Avatar
        BigM62 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Velocity26 Click here to enlarge
        I hate listening to the all-electric vehicle owners saying that they have eliminated their carbon footprint ... I guess they are charging their batteries with solar? NOPE! In Florida, Coal is still widespread ... far dirtier than gasoline.
        I agree 110%. Has anyone ever seen pic's from Canada on what mining for nickel ( used for batteries) does to the landscape? NASA uses those sites to practice driving their "moon buggies". Try these pictures:

        http://www.edwardburtynsky.com/
      1. klipseracer's Avatar
        klipseracer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by singletrack Click here to enlarge
        Don't blame BMW; blame all the kool-aid drinkers that think that electric cars are "green" despite having larger carbon footprints than gas vehicles.

        Look at it this way. Battery and electrical energy technology can improve. You can't improve the science behind burning a fossil fuel in limited supply. The end. The trade you make may be negligible, but would would rather have a platform that has room for improvement or a platform that does not. Its a matter of electricity which can be generated and stored in god knows how many ways in the future, or a fossil fuel, which there is a limited supply of. The purpose of the electric vehicle to me has less to do with the carbon foot print, and more to do with what will we be driving in 100 years. One method continues to get better(undeniably) and the other continues to get more expensive and have a dimmer outlook. Regardless of where we stand right now, which path do you want to wind up on? Those lines are diverging quickly in opposite directions.
      1. BigM62's Avatar
        BigM62 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
        Look at it this way. Battery and electrical energy technology can improve. You can't improve the science behind burning a fossil fuel in limited supply. The end. The trade you make may be negligible, but would would rather have a platform that has room for improvement or a platform that does not. Its a matter of electricity which can be generated and stored in god knows how many ways in the future, or a fossil fuel, which there is a limited supply of. The purpose of the electric vehicle to me has less to do with the carbon foot print, and more to do with what will we be driving in 100 years. One method continues to get better(undeniably) and the other continues to get more expensive and have a dimmer outlook. Regardless of where we stand right now, which path do you want to wind up on? Those lines are diverging quickly in opposite directions.
        I don't agree. Electricity=coal. Please don't say, "Clean coal". Hydrogen fuel cells or LPG, IMHO. Electric cars are a tree hugging gimmick.
      1. Sparky68's Avatar
        Sparky68 -
        The Swedish [if i remember correctly] are working on obtaining fuel in the form of hydrogen from Sea Water, you dont get much greener than that.
        We were offered Nissan Leaf [ electric vehicles] on a deal we have with them but most people live miles from work, in my case its a 80 mile round trip and the leaf will only cover 37 before it needs charging!
      1. klipseracer's Avatar
        klipseracer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BigM62 Click here to enlarge
        I don't agree. Electricity=coal. Please don't say, "Clean coal". Hydrogen fuel cells or LPG, IMHO. Electric cars are a tree hugging gimmick.
        Electricity doesn't always equal coal. And even if it did, it wouldn't mean it always will. There are many other ways to obtain electricity. Its a form of energy in its nearest portable raw form and can be created with a freakin hydro electric dam. I grew up next to one. You're on an anti electric car parade blindly. Look at the upside: You can't get a fossil fuel from something other than fossils. You can make electricity a number of ways. Would you rather have an iphone with a non removable battery or a samsung with a removable battery? Yes, at the end of the day they are both batteries but at least with one of them you've got options to change things around or swap in new batteries. The analogy is based on flexibility. With fossil fuels you have none. I'm no tree hugger and I'm not preaching emissions. I'm looking at the reality of THERE IS A LIMITED SUPPLY of fossil fuels. There is not a limited supply of electricity. So talking about clean this or clean that has absolutely no bearing on what I'm saying. I'm talking about $#@! running out. Not tree huggers.

        So you're disagree by using points which are irrelevant to my statement. Thats like saying your wrong because the sky is blue.
      1. klipseracer's Avatar
        klipseracer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sparky68 Click here to enlarge
        The Swedish [if i remember correctly] are working on obtaining fuel in the form of hydrogen from Sea Water, you dont get much greener than that.
        We were offered Nissan Leaf [ electric vehicles] on a deal we have with them but most people live miles from work, in my case its a 80 mile round trip and the leaf will only cover 37 before it needs charging!
        Apparently other people believe there is no point bringing up advancements in technology since it isn't here now. I disagree. Its almost as if they are trying to say that fossil fuels are BETTER for the environment so lets keep using it even though its going to run out, lol. Even if electric vehicles were worse on the environment, I wouldn't care. It provides us a transportation future. There are ways we haven't even invented to generate more electricity and nobody can gauge how efficient that will or will not be, but ignorance is bliss as they say. If electric cars can provide us with an alternate method of transportation, who gives a $#@! if its more efficient or not?
      1. 654's Avatar
        654 -
        Currently for the new electric cars the biggest part of the additional electricity is coming from Coal fired plants since all the clean electricity is produced at full rate in any case since its variable cost is close to zero. I don't care about electric cars causing all those emissions as far as I can get an additional electric motor to add torque so I can fit a huge turbo to shift the combustion engine's powerband to the right and up. LOL
      1. Puerto Rican 335d's Avatar
        Puerto Rican 335d -
        Honestly amigos, most of us will be gone in the next 50 yrs at least i will Im 52 our kids will live that but the rest of the WORLD doesnt give a flying FAULK about electric vehicles cause their GOVERMENTS dont give a flying FAULK about it either so why worry so much.
      1. BigM62's Avatar
        BigM62 -
        LOL. Who is saying fossil fuel is better than electricity (coal)? And I don't see a mass rush to build more dams. My point is there is much better technology coming than electric cars. And you are naive to think most electricity comes from dams.