BMW cancels the 335 diesel for the F30 3 series generation in favor of a hybrid model, the 2012 BMW ActiveHybrid 3

Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe

Hybrid performance my ass. It's almost never in electric mode.

BMW's "hybrid" tech has almost nothing in common with Toyota's approach - it's much more similar to Honda's tech. BMW developed the electric tranny with GM and Mercedes, and it can supplement the gas engine, but is virtually worthless for electric only propulsion. BMW is behind on hybrid tech, which is why they are partnering with someone - I think Puegot.

Originally Posted by Sticky

I always heard people saying the X5 and 335d were tough to find in stock and sold fast...

335d accounted for 10% of 3 series sales and the X5d accounted for roughly half of X5 sales in the US. Mark my words, a 320d or 325d will be here soon.

Originally Posted by Remonster

335d accounted for 10% of 3 series sales and the X5d accounted for roughly half of X5 sales in the US. Mark my words, a 320d or 325d will be here soon.

Automobile Magazine has stated that BMW is bringing over the 4 cylinder 3 series. I can't link an article because it's not on their website, only in the print magazine.

Originally Posted by Remonster

335d accounted for 10% of 3 series sales and the X5d accounted for roughly half of X5 sales in the US. Mark my words, a 320d or 325d will be here soon.

Let's hope you are right.

Look who was AutoBlog's source: http://www.autoblog.com/2012/02/07/b...series-hybrid/

Boy Im glad I have my 335d otherwise AUDI here I come!!!

Don't blame BMW; blame all the kool-aid drinkers that think that electric cars are "green" despite having larger carbon footprints than gas vehicles.

Originally Posted by singletrack

Don't blame BMW; blame all the kool-aid drinkers that think that electric cars are "green" despite having larger carbon footprints than gas vehicles.

What causes the carbon footprint to be larger?

Originally Posted by Sticky

What causes the carbon footprint to be larger?

I'll disclaim this by saying that I know nothing about this *particular* car. Put a typical electric such as the Prius or Volt:

-mining the material for the batteries it is a filthy process
-the electricity comes from a power grid with filthy plants. Unless you clean up the power grid, there is nothing green about these cars - they are powered by "dirty" power.
-disposal of the batteries - in 10 years, all these things need to be recycled...there is no way to dispose of them...they are horrible for the environment...no one really knows what the cost or impact will be. They *cannot* simply be parked in a junkyard.
-In general, the MPG numbers are horribly inflated and, from what I understand, are the result of a testing standard that is biased towards the electric cars...

The future is hydrogen, not electric. But unfortunately, all the electric kool-aid drinking will undermine the serious development still needed in this area.

The greenest cars on the planet are small displacement clean diesels (none sold in the US) and flex vehicles that can run alcohol.

Originally Posted by singletrack

I'll disclaim this by saying that I know nothing about this *particular* car. Put a typical electric such as the Prius or Volt:

-mining the material for the batteries it is a filthy process
-the electricity comes from a power grid with filthy plants. Unless you clean up the power grid, there is nothing green about these cars - they are powered by "dirty" power.
-disposal of the batteries - in 10 years, all these things need to be recycled...there is no way to dispose of them...they are horrible for the environment...no one really knows what the cost or impact will be. They *cannot* simply be parked in a junkyard.
-In general, the MPG numbers are horribly inflated and, from what I understand, are the result of a testing standard that is biased towards the electric cars...

The future is hydrogen, not electric. But unfortunately, all the electric kool-aid drinking will undermine the serious development still needed in this area.

The greenest cars on the planet are small displacement clean diesels (none sold in the US) and flex vehicles that can run alcohol.

This all makes sense. I think people are just sold on MPG numbers, irrelevant how they get them or what the impact is.

Originally Posted by Sticky

This all makes sense. I think people are just sold on MPG numbers, irrelevant how they get them or what the impact is.

In the general public's defense, there is an insane marketing machine behind this. But if you watch the Chevy volt commercials, even the ones out now, they are pretty ambiguous about the impact. They say things like "I care about the future" and blah blah. I haven't seen them make any claims regarding carbon footprints or what actual benefit there is to these cars. Look at how much power we produce from coal, yes COAL:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...S._Coal_Plants

It drives me nuts though, which is why I park my diesel X5 diesel in any hybrid or electric car parking I see : )

Originally Posted by singletrack

In the general public's defense, there is an insane marketing machine behind this. But if you watch the Chevy volt commercials, even the ones out now, they are pretty ambiguous about the impact. They say things like "I care about the future" and blah blah. I haven't seen them make any claims regarding carbon footprints or what actual benefit there is to these cars. Look at how much power we produce from coal, yes COAL:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...S._Coal_Plants

It drives me nuts though, which is why I park my diesel X5 diesel in any hybrid or electric car parking I see : )

Well would you prefer for us to move all nuclear?

Yes, these cars are pretty ambiguous with how their footprint is presented. Pretty much all people talk about are the MPG numbers.

Originally Posted by Sticky

Well would you prefer for us to move all nuclear?

Yes, these cars are pretty ambiguous with how their footprint is presented. Pretty much all people talk about are the MPG numbers.

I'm not a power grid expert, just a "sniff out bull$#@!" expert ; )

My buddy works for Westinghouse in the nuclear division. From what I understand, a proper nuclear plant is very safe and clean. However, much like the hype with the electric cars, the hype related to the Japan disaster has left a black mark on all nuclear solutions. Still, from what he tells me, they are recovering and working on several plants right now...not sure if any are in the US. I don't think he can tell me legally either.

I just watched this hype piece on Chevy on Velocity and, even in that puff piece, no one blatantly said these are good for the environment blah blah. Actually, towards the end, one of the engineers talked about flex vehicles and "running off compressed gasses". Someone missed an edit I guess ; )

Originally Posted by Sticky

Well would you prefer for us to move all nuclear?

Sticky, read the following: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...h-thorium.html

I'm not an expert, but it's always a good idea to think about who stands to lose ($) when standards (in this case energy) change.

Originally Posted by 62Lincoln

Sticky, read the following: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...h-thorium.html

I'm not an expert, but it's always a good idea to think about who stands to lose ($) when standards (in this case energy) change.

Interesting read, looking it over.

Originally Posted by 62Lincoln

Sticky, read the following: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...h-thorium.html

I'm not an expert, but it's always a good idea to think about who stands to lose ($) when standards (in this case energy) change.

Sounds too good to be true.

Im glad I have my DIESEL!!

I hate listening to the all-electric vehicle owners saying that they have eliminated their carbon footprint ... I guess they are charging their batteries with solar? NOPE! In Florida, Coal is still widespread ... far dirtier than gasoline.

Originally Posted by Sticky

Sounds too good to be true.

I'm sure there is some sort of "anti" group that could point out all the negatives - the anti-nuclear movement is very strong, and they seem to want to lump this into that category, even though it doesn't have the same drawbacks.

I really hoped they did not cancelled this bmw 335 diesel, im really hoping for his one and then they cancelled it im slight disappointed because diesel is cheaper but it's ok. I'm not bitter or anything and i dont hate the hybrid one but im not really a fan of hybrid cars.