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    • Roll on Race - Stock SL65 Black Series versus stock Nissan GT-R

      The Nissan GT-R is a very fast car in stock form. However, its main strength is going from a stop with its all wheel drive and dual clutch transmission allowing it to get a jump on most cars. From a roll, it isn't exactly unbeatable in stock form as this race with an SL65 Black Series shows. The GT-R in the video is said to a be a 485 horsepower version so likely a 2008-2010 model. We would like to see how a 2012 would fair in its place but the SL65 would likely still dominate it.




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      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Come on now... let's not compare a car that in stock form costs almost 4 times as much and has a near 200 HP advantage. Give that GTR a tune, FBO and the race is much much closer at a fraction of the cost. Then try it again from a dig and the results are even more astonishing. The GTR may lost in this situation but pound for pound; there is not another car in the world that compares as far as value and technological marvel is compared. That car with a 700 LB disadvantage can keep up with a Ferrari 458 right out of the factory which has equal power... that should say something about the design of the DCT, AWD system and other electronic gizmos in that vehicle.
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Holy hell I had no idea it was that expensive! I couldn't get on the mb website (on my phone) but I saw C&D quoted it at $320,000?!? Who in their right mind would pay for that? You can save $120k and get an AMS alpha 12 GTR which NO MB will ever touch. Or even a UGR Lambo for that money and you've got a car that looks much better, is more prestigious(if that's ur thing), and is infinitely faster.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It's due to the amount of people modding. That V12 up top doesn't exactly run out of breath, it's a constant stream of power from basically anywhere in the rev range.
        I just saw a graph from these engines, holy $#@!. That's a diesel like powerband. It does run out of breath in higher rpm's!

        But back on topic, in higher boosts i still believe a VR makes more power than a high boosted M275. It seems M275 head isn't efficient and it sucks even more in higher boosts. But VR holds it's efficiency in higher boosts as well. a M275 simply can't make something like 1500hp which VR makes.
        Plus, an Alpha 12 powerband isn't that bad as you think.
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      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Btw for ultimate power potential I'd prefer the N74.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        Again the VR is an oversquare DOHC motor it's gonna breathe and rev much better so it's VE will be much better. The M275 is excellent for what it is meant to do, quickly move heavy ass sedans around and make alot of torque to seem effortless but it chokes up top. It undersquare and sohc man it's meant for low rev grunt not top end. It'll bake the tires but it's not anywhere near as efficient as the VR will be. Again if you put the same set of twins on both cars the VR will make more HP every time.
        It will rev a bit higher but no reason the V12 heads/valvetrain/cams can't be addressed.

        The VR is a more efficient design but it will never overcome 12 cylinders and 6.0 liters.

        The M275 will have a fatter curve, spool faster, and can be geared longer. I'll take it with the same twins.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by questforpower Click here to enlarge
        Come on now... let's not compare a car that in stock form costs almost 4 times as much and has a near 200 HP advantage. Give that GTR a tune, FBO and the race is much much closer at a fraction of the cost. Then try it again from a dig and the results are even more astonishing. The GTR may lost in this situation but pound for pound; there is not another car in the world that compares as far as value and technological marvel is compared. That car with a 700 LB disadvantage can keep up with a Ferrari 458 right out of the factory which has equal power... that should say something about the design of the DCT, AWD system and other electronic gizmos in that vehicle.
        The 458 is a stronger car from a roll and does it without turbos. Turbos on the 458 = seeya.

        The GTR masks its weight with the DCT. A lighter car like the 458 with a DCT is a better platform. More expensive, yes, but it's a Ferrari after all.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        I just saw a graph from these engines, holy $#@!. That's a diesel like powerband. It does run out of breath in higher rpm's!

        But back on topic, in higher boosts i still believe a VR makes more power than a high boosted M275. It seems M275 head isn't efficient and it sucks even more in higher boosts. But VR holds it's efficiency in higher boosts as well. a M275 simply can't make something like 1500hp which VR makes.
        Plus, an Alpha 12 powerband isn't that bad as you think.
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        As stated, it has cast manifolds with basic K24 turbos. The porsche guys get big power out of the K24's by modifying them. If the same could be done on the Benz the top end would be insane.
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The 458 is a stronger car from a roll and does it without turbos. Turbos on the 458 = seeya.

        The GTR masks its weight with the DCT. A lighter car like the 458 with a DCT is a better platform. More expensive, yes, but it's a Ferrari after all.
        Note the part where I said there is a 700 LB difference... that is massive. The 458s engine is a marvel but the costs of the vehicle are incredible and atm; the only turbod 458 I've seen put down 700 WHP... still almost half of the worlds fastest GTR.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by questforpower Click here to enlarge
        Note the part where I said there is a 700 LB difference... that is massive. The 458s engine is a marvel but the costs of the vehicle are incredible and atm; the only turbod 458 I've seen put down 700 WHP... still almost half of the worlds fastest GTR.
        The reason for that is the 458 was on stock internals.
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The reason for that is the 458 was on stock internals.
        Good Point... but even if you consider the TT Gallardos running around with built motors; they only make 1500 WHP from a much much larger motor whereas the GTR record is 1342 WHP. GTR - 6 cylinder with a 3.8L displacement, Gallardo - High Revving V10 with 5.2L displacement. I think pound for pound one of those performance stats is more impressive all things considered.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by questforpower Click here to enlarge
        Good Point... but even if you consider the TT Gallardos running around with built motors; they only make 1500 WHP from a much much larger motor whereas the GTR record is 1342 WHP. GTR - 6 cylinder with a 3.8L displacement, Gallardo - High Revving V10 with 5.2L displacement. I think pound for pound one of those performance stats is more impressive all things considered.
        The Gallardo has gotten to just under 2000 whp I believe.