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      Many tuners have attempted single turbo setups on the BMW N54 direct injected turbo 6. Up to this point, nobody has been able to come to market with a reliable solution. HPF announced they intended to provide a single turbo kit for the N54 last year. They seem to be progressing further than anyone else and making it into a reality. Expect dyno numbers to come soon but for now the details we have are that this kit will be able to run any Precision T4 Turbo from a 67 to a 76.

      Additionally, HPF is aiming for a starting price of $5950 which will include the turbo manifold, journal bearing Precision turbo, wastegate, oil scavenge pump and hardware, downpipe, intake charge pipe, motor mount, motor mount relocation kit, VBrace, fittings, couplers, etc. This will really shift the N54 turbo upgrade options and be incredibly competitive. After this is released expect a Stage II with fueling upgrade but that is further down the line.

      Good job so far HPF, good job indeed.




      This article was originally published in forum thread: Eric's HPF Single Turbo N54 Is ALIVE - VIDEO started by HPF Chris View original post
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      1. 654's Avatar
        654 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        AFAIK, HPF_335i is the only private owner with a working HPF Single Turbo N54. I don't think they realized how difficult it would tuning a DI motor and then fabricating all the hardware correctly, there was also an overwhelming amount of forum pressure to deliver a quality kit ASAP since they're known for the S54 Turbo Kits.

        Honestly, I applaud them for not releasing a kit that wasn't 100% ready, BUT it really sucks for anybody waiting to go single turbo & not buy from Vishnu/FFTEC
        Anyone who wants to buy a ST kit should buy Vishnu instead of HPF. Did you see how HPF ended up in their offering? The process and the outcome were so pitiful that I'm not surprised we don't have any dynos, slips or 60-130MPH of the HPF kit. HPF_335i's car were at HPF for 3-4 years for HPF to develop their kit, so it is not like they would have been in hurry coming up with their $#@!.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pits200 Click here to enlarge
        Not sure how you can even compare, does HPF even have 1 running single turbo car on the street?

        HPF has made a fool of themselves over and over on the n54 with their ridiculous hype threads after going down the wrong route with the first runthrough of the manifold and wrong placement of the 02 sensors.
        People like you are so annoying.

        Oh ya, let's just chastise them for trying to do something people want. Let's just put them down for actually DOING SOMETHING instead of typing. They should just have it all figured out on the first attempt because everyone else clearly has.

        STFU with this nonsense. Vishnu's still isn't perfect. Nobodies is, it's a process. Be more constructive or show us all how it's done. The only fool here is you.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
        Anyone who wants to buy a ST kit should buy Vishnu instead of HPF. Did you see how HPF ended up in their offering? The process and the outcome were so pitiful that I'm not surprised we don't have any dynos, slips or 60-130MPH of the HPF kit. HPF_335i's car were at HPF for 3-4 years for HPF to develop their kit, so it is not like they would have been in hurry coming up with their $#@!.
        Everyone knows the S54 is their market. Clearly they are letting others develop the N54 and will simply be selling their own kit that will be similar using Vishnu's tuning.
      1. pits200's Avatar
        pits200 -
        People open themselves up to criticism when they start threads claiming that something is going to be completed in four months and then a few years later it is still not complete. You also said, god forbid they make a mistake and dont get it right the first time. I'm sure everytime vishnu made an error on his ST, you and everyone else on this forum were on him like white on rice. (Not a vishnu fan, just pointing out the double standard)

        Since you like insulting like a 13 year old kid on the playground, let me tell you a little bit about how the real world works. Lets say I tell a client of mine that I can expect to have a project done in approximately 2-3 months because I foresee no pitfalls and that I have done this plenty of times before and don't worry about things. Then 2-3 months go by and I'm only 25% done because I didn't use due diligence when delving into the project to begin with. You don't think that would make me look like a fool.

        Then after me making numerous errors in the first 2-3 months, I have the gall to go to the ceo and tout my new process is better and I only need 3 months months to finish the project.

        And vishnu is far from perfect, he is the king of touting products but at least they have a running car, that is the difference between them and HPF.

        And to tell me to do something constructive to make the single work is another...... unintelligent comment. You do realize working on my car is a HOBBY and I don't make a living out of it like HPF does.

        Oh ya, how's your car coming...

        You won't beat me in a debate so it's best if we just leave this topic civil and move on.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pits200 Click here to enlarge
        People open themselves up to criticism when they start threads claiming that something is going to be completed in four months and then a few years later it is still not complete.
        Far easier to criticize from your keyboard than actually get a single turbo kit into production isn't it?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pits200 Click here to enlarge
        Since you like insulting like a 13 year old kid on the playground, let me tell you a little bit about how the real world works. Lets say I tell a client of mine that I can expect to have a project done in approximately 2-3 months because I foresee no pitfalls and that I have done this plenty of times before and don't worry about things. Then 2-3 months go by and I'm only 25% done because I didn't use due diligence when delving into the project to begin with. You don't think that wouldn't make me look like a fool.
        Since you like thinking like a 13 year old let me tell you something about tuning modern BMW's. It isn't easy. You don't tune, you don't make kits, you don't invest in product development, you just type and criticize those who do.

        Is there some timetable being missed here? Is there an expiration date nobody is aware of? Why don't you sit back and let them do their thing.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pits200 Click here to enlarge
        And vishnu is far from perfect, he is the king of touting products but at least they have a running car, that is the difference between them and HPF.
        HPF has how many running cars with far more sophisticated turbo setups and far bigger power numbers than Vishnu? The world doesn't revolve around the N54, get it through your head. That is especially true for HPF's world. The N54 is clearly a side project for them and not their main business. Vishnu is working with HPF anyway. HPF will be using Vishnu's tuning. What's so hard to understand? When Vishnu gets it down so will HPF. Did the thought cross your mind HPF is waiting on Vishnu?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pits200 Click here to enlarge
        Oh ya, how's your car coming...

        You won't beat me in a debate so it's best if we just leave this topic civil and move on.
        In a "debate" we call this an ad hominem fallacy. Considering your "debate" skills degenerate to an OT attack pretty quickly you wouldn't even be a challenge you big winner you. Now you can move on.
      1. shiv@vishnu's Avatar
        shiv@vishnu -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Vishnu is working with HPF anyway. HPF will be using Vishnu's tuning. What's so hard to understand? When Vishnu gets it down so will HPF. Did the thought cross your mind HPF is waiting on Vishnu?
        That wouldn't cross the mind of any reasonable person. Because it doesn't even make sense.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu Click here to enlarge
        That wouldn't cross the mind of any reasonable person. Because it doesn't even make sense.
        Ya dude your kit is perfect. Let's all just keep pretending that is the case. Get off the forums and back to work.
      1. pits200's Avatar
        pits200 -
        I guess the saying that some people would rather have a reputation regardless of reputation than not even having one at all.

        And I never said the n54 was hpfs main project, just stating that they made plenty of threads saying things would be done and it never came to fruition. Why is that so hard to understand and admit? They did look foolish and not sure why you took that as such an insult.

        And what is "rep power" that you removed from me. I thought this wasn't a tyrannical forum, talk about hypocrite.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pits200 Click here to enlarge
        And I never said the n54 was hpfs main project, just stating that they made plenty of threads saying things would be done and it never came to fruition.
        Ya, because you know what? We like seeing updates. We like seeing projects. We like seeing the work that goes into it.

        You sound like one of the people who discounted Vargas and criticized them for their process because it was taking a while instead of the people who enjoyed seeing it all come together.

        IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. THIS ISN'T GRAN TURISMO.

        I prefer 23048304832048 updates on a project to none.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pits200 Click here to enlarge
        They did look foolish and not sure why you took that as such an insult.
        No you look foolish because HPF isn't meeting some arbitrary standard you have set in your head as if their goal should be to please you. You don't tune, you don't make products, you don't do anything. So what the hell do you know about bringing a turbo kit to market for a direct injected BMW? HPF has had PLENTY of success, the problem isn't them. Everyone is struggling with this motor.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pits200 Click here to enlarge
        And what is "rep power" that you removed from me. I thought this wasn't a tyrannical forum, talk about hypocrite.
        Oh yes you are being subjugated to insane tyranny and censorship. Way to finally see those thumbs on every post. Yep, they work.
      1. pits200's Avatar
        pits200 -
        Dude, you just see red with fury and lose all sense of reading comprehension. You're like the tasmanian devil, spinning in circles, spitting all over yourself and talking jibberish.

        I never said anything about getting updates, I understand it's a trial and error process and love updates. But when starting threads like this:
        Can John remove the entire powertrain on Pat's car before Chris can remove the HPF Single Turbo Manifold off Erik's 335i?!?!
        http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...&highlight=HPF

        And fine, it's obvious you want me to look foolish, so yes, I'm foolish, I'm a court jester. It's obvious, you're the superior mental power here.

        And please don't take away my finger thingies, I'm not sure what I'm going to do without those points, please don't.
      1. BMW335E93's Avatar
        BMW335E93 -
        I saw a feature in PASMAG on a Black E93 335 with HPF's Single Turbo in it owned by a female Oregon resident towards the end of 2012

        http://www.pasmag.com/features/rides...weqweqweqweqwe

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        AFAIK, HPF_335i is the only private owner with a working HPF Single Turbo N54. I don't think they realized how difficult it would tuning a DI motor and then fabricating all the hardware correctly, there was also an overwhelming amount of forum pressure to deliver a quality kit ASAP since they're known for the S54 Turbo Kits.

        Honestly, I applaud them for not releasing a kit that wasn't 100% ready, BUT it really sucks for anybody waiting to go single turbo & not buy from Vishnu/FFTEC
      1. Ryan Mills's Avatar
        Ryan Mills -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BMW335E93 Click here to enlarge
        I saw a feature in PASMAG on a Black E93 335 with HPF's Single Turbo in it owned by a female Oregon resident towards the end of 2012

        http://www.pasmag.com/features/rides...weqweqweqweqwe

        The black car with the swirly paint has grey strut towers when you look at the engine pics. Doesn't add up.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pits200 Click here to enlarge
        I never said anything about getting updates, I understand it's a trial and error process and love updates
        If you understand it then shut up and stop calling them fools.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pits200 Click here to enlarge
        Can John remove the entire powertrain on Pat's car before Chris can remove the HPF Single Turbo Manifold off Erik's 335i?!?!
        There's something wrong with them having fun? How much sand is in your vagina?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pits200 Click here to enlarge
        Dude, you just see red with fury and lose all sense of reading comprehension. You're like the tasmanian devil, spinning in circles, spitting all over yourself and talking jibberish.
        Care to give me a concrete example? Because I'm directly highlighting what I'm responding to in quotes. Are you sure it's my reading comprehension that is the problem?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pits200 Click here to enlarge
        And please don't take away my finger thingies, I'm not sure what I'm going to do without those points, please don't.
        Should have said pretty please.
      1. Sered's Avatar
        Sered -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        lol... this may have been a worse fiasco than the Vishnu singles... although still way better than Unfor's setup lololol.
        Definitely worse. While Shiv's setup had bugs, at least he released something that worked (I'm being conservative with the word 'worked' here as it has been publicly fraught with problems -- but at least there were a few dyno numbers and a couple timeslips). HPF didn't even get off the ground because they didn't bother to research the platform (too busy making new carbon fiber hoods for the E46 -- and always saying 'we're going to tackle it soon, we've just got several other projects that we need to knock out -- like these awesome carbon fiber hoods!').

        Ex JZ-engine guy here, and I used to run HPF parts (their HPF Bronze on the W58 was a kickass clutch). They make great stuff, and have great attention to detail; but the N54 thing was a disaster for them. They totally half-assed it and it bit them hard.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
        Definitely worse. While Shiv's setup had bugs, at least he released something that worked (I'm being conservative with the word 'worked' here as it has been publicly fraught with problems -- but at least there were a few dyno numbers and a couple timeslips). HPF didn't even get off the ground because they didn't bother to research the platform (too busy making new carbon fiber hoods for the E46 -- and always saying 'we're going to tackle it soon, we've just got several other projects that we need to knock out -- like these awesome carbon fiber hoods!').
        You do know they are pumping out BMW's with 1000 whp right? A little different than taking credit for a manifold design FFtec came up with don't you think?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
        Ex JZ-engine guy here, and I used to run HPF parts (their HPF Bronze on the W58 was a kickass clutch). They make great stuff, and have great attention to detail; but the N54 thing was a disaster for them. They totally half-assed it and it bit them hard.
        It's pretty simple to realize they are letting others do development and will simply adapt it and sell a similar kit with similar tuning. Maybe they are also waiting on a different tuning solution. Regardless, they aren't trying to invest time and money in R&D when others are doing it. It's called a business decision, they already went through this with the S54 and have it to the highest levels.

        If someone else was doing the N54 development and manifold design I'd just buy the manifold from them and the tuning from the tuner and be done with it. That's not a disaster...
      1. The Ghost's Avatar
        The Ghost -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        People like you are so annoying.

        Oh ya, let's just chastise them for trying to do something people want. Let's just put them down for actually DOING SOMETHING instead of typing. They should just have it all figured out on the first attempt because everyone else clearly has.

        STFU with this nonsense. Vishnu's still isn't perfect. Nobodies is, it's a process. Be more constructive or show us all how it's done. The only fool here is you.
        Say what? They haven't released ish. No working car and numerous hype threads that end in years of silence. I can't applaud anything until they actually release something.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by The Ghost Click here to enlarge
        Say what? They haven't released ish. No working car and numerous hype threads that end in years of silence. I can't applaud anything until they actually release something.
        Yet another person with N54 is center of the universe mentality.
      1. The Ghost's Avatar
        The Ghost -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Yet another person with N54 is center of the universe mentality.
        Lol, we ARE in the n54 section, talking about HPF's N54 turbo products. I don't know what else to tell you man.
      1. Sered's Avatar
        Sered -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You do know they are pumping out BMW's with 1000 whp right? A little different than taking credit for a manifold design FFtec came up with don't you think?
        Really? I'd like to see them? Please post them up! Ensure they have DI.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It's pretty simple to realize they are letting others do development and will simply adapt it and sell a similar kit with similar tuning. Maybe they are also waiting on a different tuning solution. Regardless, they aren't trying to invest time and money in R&D when others are doing it. It's called a business decision, they already went through this with the S54 and have it to the highest levels.

        If someone else was doing the N54 development and manifold design I'd just buy the manifold from them and the tuning from the tuner and be done with it. That's not a disaster...
        That's a disaster. They set out to do something without researching it, were warned by many people about the direction of their development, then failed predictably and horribly; after 3-4 years of stringing the poor guy along (and the entire community with 'updates' that always involved E46 pictures, like the N54 community gave two $#@!s about the E46 cars on an N54 forum/thread). They then half-assed it by 'converting' it to a twin-scroll by welding a bar in the middle of the T4 collector o.O

        Call it a business decision or not, but they made a half-assed attempt and failed. And then didn't even own up to it; they literally $#@!ing ignored any and all questions about it. They pulled a Shiv and slinked away. If that's a business decision, then it's a poor one; but it looks more cowardly in my eyes. If at the end they had just simply said 'Hey we screwed this up, but we're not currently wanting to sink anymore fund into R&D until we see stronger aftermarket support for this platform.' instead of posting E46 carbon fiber hood pictures; then they'd have a much better reputation.

        People and companies screw up, it happens. But to be successful, you either own up to it and try to do better; or you better have a seriously awesome PR machine like Apple does.
      1. oddjob2021's Avatar
        oddjob2021 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
        Really? I'd like to see them? Please post them up! Ensure they have DI.



        That's a disaster. They set out to do something without researching it, were warned by many people about the direction of their development, then failed predictably and horribly; after 3-4 years of stringing the poor guy along (and the entire community with 'updates' that always involved E46 pictures, like the N54 community gave two $#@!s about the E46 cars on an N54 forum/thread). They then half-assed it by 'converting' it to a twin-scroll by welding a bar in the middle of the T4 collector o.O

        Call it a business decision or not, but they made a half-assed attempt and failed. And then didn't even own up to it; they literally $#@!ing ignored any and all questions about it. They pulled a Shiv and slinked away. If that's a business decision, then it's a poor one; but it looks more cowardly in my eyes. If at the end they had just simply said 'Hey we screwed this up, but we're not currently wanting to sink anymore fund into R&D until we see stronger aftermarket support for this platform.' instead of posting E46 carbon fiber hood pictures; then they'd have a much better reputation.

        People and companies screw up, it happens. But to be successful, you either own up to it and try to do better; or you better have a seriously awesome PR machine like Apple does.
        ^+1 I agree. Can't rep, have to spread more. So Sticky, I think we all agree HPF is a strong company as a whole, they produce a solid product, what we're getting at here is that HPF did not pull through for the N54 specifically, not as bad as the whole unfor scandal, but bad enough to warrant all this shame imo.