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    • Horsepower Freaks single turbo Stage I N54 upgrade kit progress, startup video - Aiming for $5950 intro price

      Many tuners have attempted single turbo setups on the BMW N54 direct injected turbo 6. Up to this point, nobody has been able to come to market with a reliable solution. HPF announced they intended to provide a single turbo kit for the N54 last year. They seem to be progressing further than anyone else and making it into a reality. Expect dyno numbers to come soon but for now the details we have are that this kit will be able to run any Precision T4 Turbo from a 67 to a 76.

      Additionally, HPF is aiming for a starting price of $5950 which will include the turbo manifold, journal bearing Precision turbo, wastegate, oil scavenge pump and hardware, downpipe, intake charge pipe, motor mount, motor mount relocation kit, VBrace, fittings, couplers, etc. This will really shift the N54 turbo upgrade options and be incredibly competitive. After this is released expect a Stage II with fueling upgrade but that is further down the line.

      Good job so far HPF, good job indeed.




      This article was originally published in forum thread: Eric's HPF Single Turbo N54 Is ALIVE - VIDEO started by HPF Chris View original post
      Comments 233 Comments
      1. MisterEm's Avatar
        MisterEm -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
        Call it a business decision or not, but they made a half-assed attempt and failed. And then didn't even own up to it; they literally $#@!ing ignored any and all questions about it.

        People and companies screw up, it happens. But to be successful, you either own up to it and try to do better; or you better have a seriously awesome PR machine like Apple does.
        The sad part here is they were warned about the manifold design prior to fabrication... on here... on N54tech...and I am sure on E90post.

        They could save some face by explaining the hiccups but based on the way HPF management has dealt with other controversial issues (e.g. Marcus/SAAD et. al) I am not surprised by the "crickets" response. Just disappointed.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by oddjob2021 Click here to enlarge
        So Sticky, I think we all agree HPF is a strong company as a whole, they produce a solid product, what we're getting at here is that HPF did not pull through for the N54 specifically, not as bad as the whole unfor scandal, but bad enough to warrant all this shame imo.
        Fairly stated.

        As a customer looking to trade-in the A4-QT and cross-shopping 6mt 335/535xi's -- I was hoping HPF would have had an established product by now.

        A smart man learns from his mistake. A wise man learns from other's mistakes. HPF was warned numerous times about their manifold design and chose to ignore it. Not wise or smart.
      1. Sered's Avatar
        Sered -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MisterEm Click here to enlarge
        The sad part here is they were warned about the manifold design prior to fabrication... on here... on N54tech...and I am sure on E90post.

        They could save some face by explaining the hiccups but based on the way HPF management has dealt with other controversial issues (e.g. Marcus/SAAD et. al) I am not surprised by the "crickets" response. Just disappointed.
        Agreed. I don't need proof that HPF can make quality stuff, that is academic at this point (they were in the JZ-engine scene WAY before the S54 came into its own -- and even then they made top-notch products).

        I wasn't aware of a situation involving Saad and HPF. I better go do a search on supraforums, he's definitely not a customer you piss off as his reputation alone can bring yours up or down.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by The Ghost Click here to enlarge
        Lol, we ARE in the n54 section, talking about HPF's N54 turbo products. I don't know what else to tell you man.
        What forum section you are in does not change a companies business model. Because you are in the N54 section does not mean the N54 is primarily what HPF does.

        You are speaking as if they don't do ANYTHING but your motor.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
        Really? I'd like to see them? Please post them up! Ensure they have DI.
        Learn how to use the search function I guess?

        There are no 1000+ horsepower N54's just to save you the trouble.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
        That's a disaster. They set out to do something without researching it, were warned by many people about the direction of their development, then failed predictably and horribly; after 3-4 years of stringing the poor guy along (and the entire community with 'updates' that always involved E46 pictures, like the N54 community gave two $#@!s about the E46 cars on an N54 forum/thread). They then half-assed it by 'converting' it to a twin-scroll by welding a bar in the middle of the T4 collector o.O
        Oh they didn't meet your goals? Do you even know where their development is at? Have you picked up a phone and talked to anyone there or do you prefer to be super negative on forums instead?

        OMG OH NO HPF didn't do what I wanted when I wanted for my motor and instead has big hp on a different motor. They are failures. Cry cry cry baby.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
        Call it a business decision or not, but they made a half-assed attempt and failed. And then didn't even own up to it; they literally $#@!ing ignored any and all questions about it. They pulled a Shiv and slinked away. If that's a business decision, then it's a poor one; but it looks more cowardly in my eyes. If at the end they had just simply said 'Hey we screwed this up, but we're not currently wanting to sink anymore fund into R&D until we see stronger aftermarket support for this platform.' instead of posting E46 carbon fiber hood pictures; then they'd have a much better reputation.
        Uh, dude, they do $50+k builds. They clearly have other priorities like, um, MAKING MONEY. It's not an N54 charity, ok?

        You want someone to devote thousands upon thousands in N54 development for you? Well, good luck with that.

        HPF made a business decision and will sell a tried and true manifold and tuning solution. They already do one platform better than anyone. It isn't their responsibility to push multiple motors in this economy.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
        People and companies screw up, it happens. But to be successful, you either own up to it and try to do better; or you better have a seriously awesome PR machine like Apple does.
        Ya, doing millions of dollars in revenue and being one of the biggest BMW engine builders and tuners out there. What a screw up!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by oddjob2021 Click here to enlarge
        what we're getting at here is that HPF did not pull through for the N54 specifically
        I'm not disagreeing but the N54 center of the universe nonsense is beyond idiotic. Some of you can't see the forest for the trees.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MisterEm Click here to enlarge
        A smart man learns from his mistake. A wise man learns from other's mistakes. HPF was warned numerous times about their manifold design and chose to ignore it. Not wise or smart.
        Did they sell you it?
      1. bmw335iguy's Avatar
        bmw335iguy -
        Sticky just has a boner for HPF, and I get it they make some bad ass e46 m3s. But 3 years to build a kit for the n54 is rediculous. CB Performance put together a prototype in a few months. Yeah they had vishnus manifold design to copy from but still...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bmw335iguy Click here to enlarge
        Sticky just has a boner for HPF, and I get it they make some bad ass e46 m3s. But 3 years to build a kit for the n54 is rediculous. CB Performance put together a prototype in a few months. Yeah they had vishnus manifold design to copy from but still...
        That's because none of you see what they did and do for the S54 and instead put them down for not getting some cheap single turbo kit working for the 335. Vishnu is doing that. Let them do that and HPF can continue to rock in their area of expertise.

        CB Performance isn't exactly done and on the market either.
      1. MisterEm's Avatar
        MisterEm -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Did they sell you it?
        You missed the point again - but rhetorical questions are fun. Good practice for the wife. Click here to enlarge

        This move into the N54 helped sway my wife and I's decision to forego the search for an E90M sedan for a 335/535. Why? I have the utmost respect for their work living in the PNW and have seen and enjoyed their work firsthand. When HPF gets it right - they get it RIGHT. I want them to get it RIGHT on this platform. I don't trust the rest of the N54 vendor community just yet - HPF was supposed to help me avoid that. The lack of information on this was analogous to the FFTEC/Vishnu misfire mystery... I expect this type of product development/advertisement from Vishnu, not HPF.

        "Stuff happens" when you double and triple OE output and there are 3 sides to every story. I can give HPF a pass on the Marcus/SAAD blown motor fiasco. Everyone messes up sometimes but its how a company/man responds when "stuff happens" that truly matters. Not that it happened in the first place. It is safe to say that HPF responded poorly in that situation -- anyway you slice it.

        The same is true for this N54 development -- or lack thereof.

        Want to develop a new product? Follow the Vargas or MaxPsi business model - Not the HPF or FFTEC iteration.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MisterEm Click here to enlarge
        hen HPF gets it right - they get it RIGHT. I want them to get it RIGHT on this platform.
        This is really my point. They didn't force crap down anyone's throat. They didn't sell some half-assed kit. All they did was post development photos and now people act like they should be burned at the stake.

        It's idiotic...

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MisterEm Click here to enlarge
        Want to develop a new product? Follow the Vargas or MaxPsi business model - Not the HPF or FFTEC iteration.
        I'm sorry but HPF's product development threads are pretty much as good as it gets. Once again this is N54-centric thinking. Their RHD turbo kit threads? Awesome. Their Stage IV threads? Awesome. Even their discussion about developing a freaking E46 hood is good with multiple updates regarding the design and keeping the community involved.

        A lot of people are spoiled, demanding, and feeling entitled. The BMW aftermarket world is a better place with HPF than without it.

        Keyboard criticizers doing nothing keep it up I guess.
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Learn how to use the search function I guess?

        There are no 1000+ horsepower N54's just to save you the trouble.
        i took it as 'just because they make 1000+HP on other platforms is irrelevant to the N54, being much more difficult, considering they have so far tried failed, and shelved the project'

        my take on it as a whole: HPF is a HUGE multimillion dollar company, they DO make the most powerful S54's money can buy... i'm baffled as to why, with their near-limitless budget, they shelved the N54.. they could not only have been the first N54 ST... but much MUCH more easily and openly trouble-shot it, with their time availability and potential lack of budgetary constraints
        ... anyone and everyone who would buy an ST would have bought it from HPF over vishnu/FFTEC without a doubt.

        i would LOVE to see HPF make an amazing lineup of ST kits, but to me it seems like they're just going to sit this one out, as they're already pretty far behind.. at best, they'll merely be another option rather than te market leader?
      1. Brey335i's Avatar
        Brey335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        i took it as 'just because they make 1000+HP on other platforms is irrelevant to the N54, being much more difficult, considering they have so far tried failed, and shelved the project'

        my take on it as a whole: HPF is a HUGE multimillion dollar company, they DO make the most powerful S54's money can buy... i'm baffled as to why, with their near-limitless budget, they shelved the N54.. they could not only have been the first N54 ST... but much MUCH more easily and openly trouble-shot it, with their time availability and potential lack of budgetary constraints
        ... anyone and everyone who would buy an ST would have bought it from HPF over vishnu/FFTEC without a doubt.

        i would LOVE to see HPF make an amazing lineup of ST kits, but to me it seems like they're just going to sit this one out, as they're already pretty far behind.. at best, they'll merely be another option rather than te market leader?
        Actually, I think they realized that with the effort required to push the N54 to the level required for a HPF product and with the lack of tuning options for such a push, the investment might not be worth it at the moment. Releasing a product before it works well is a disaster... as can be seen from the Vishnu ST. No one wants to spend that much money and deal with a car not even running properly.

        I wouldn't be surprised if HPF is working on new hardware and waiting for a proper tuning solution before releasing.

        And from my days on e90post, most 335 owners strike me as unwilling to drop the necessary coin to buy a HPF product. They spend it all on ridiculous wheels instead. And a ST requires a lot of other mods to make it decent to drive.
      1. dan avoN7's Avatar
        dan avoN7 -
        HPF's turbo kit for the e46 m3 was designed by their former employee/tuner JP (an actual engineer, ie he has a degree in mechanical engineering). This employee left HPF 3+ years ago to create his own company (Radium Engineering). HPF hasn't had an in-house engineer or tuner for a very long time... Also their head mechanic John left the company not too long ago...
      1. The Ghost's Avatar
        The Ghost -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        What forum section you are in does not change a companies business model. Because you are in the N54 section does not mean the N54 is primarily what HPF does.


        You are speaking as if they don't do ANYTHING but your motor.
        No sir, you fabricated the last sentence in your head. Re-read my posts.


        We are talking about HPF's N54 single turbo. No one cares about their other offerings [in this context] and it is a weak and obvious scarecrow argument to bring that here. They talked a good game (and I am STILL hoping it comes out), but haven't released anything or any info yet.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by The Ghost Click here to enlarge
        Say what? They haven't released ish. No working car and numerous hype threads that end in years of silence. I can't applaud anything until they actually release something [for the N54 which is what we are talking about].
      1. rudypoochris's Avatar
        rudypoochris -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dan avoN7 Click here to enlarge
        HPF's turbo kit for the e46 m3 was designed by their former employee/tuner JP (an actual engineer, ie he has a degree in mechanical engineering). This employee left HPF 3+ years ago to create his own company (Radium Engineering). HPF hasn't had an in-house engineer or tuner for a very long time... Also their head mechanic John left the company not too long ago...
        True true. Their clutch is also a no go.
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Brey335i Click here to enlarge
        Actually, I think they realized that with the effort required to push the N54 to the level required for a HPF product and with the lack of tuning options for such a push, the investment might not be worth it at the moment. Releasing a product before it works well is a disaster... as can be seen from the Vishnu ST. No one wants to spend that much money and deal with a car not even running properly.

        I wouldn't be surprised if HPF is working on new hardware and waiting for a proper tuning solution before releasing.

        And from my days on e90post, most 335 owners strike me as unwilling to drop the necessary coin to buy a HPF product. They spend it all on ridiculous wheels instead. And a ST requires a lot of other mods to make it decent to drive.
        true, one can only hope Click here to enlarge

        $6k would be AWESOME if it does get released one day lol

        bold bit: no you do not need a $6,000 set of HRE's on your daily.......
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        i took it as 'just because they make 1000+HP on other platforms is irrelevant to the N54, being much more difficult, considering they have so far tried failed, and shelved the project'

        my take on it as a whole: HPF is a HUGE multimillion dollar company, they DO make the most powerful S54's money can buy... i'm baffled as to why, with their near-limitless budget, they shelved the N54.. they could not only have been the first N54 ST... but much MUCH more easily and openly trouble-shot it, with their time availability and potential lack of budgetary constraints
        ... anyone and everyone who would buy an ST would have bought it from HPF over vishnu/FFTEC without a doubt.

        i would LOVE to see HPF make an amazing lineup of ST kits, but to me it seems like they're just going to sit this one out, as they're already pretty far behind.. at best, they'll merely be another option rather than te market leader?
        I don't know if I would say shelved. The N54 is evolving and they know where their bread is buttered. It seems they are just waiting it out.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        bold bit: no you do not need a $6,000 set of HRE's on your daily.......
        I do.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by The Ghost Click here to enlarge
        We are talking about HPF's N54 single turbo. No one cares about their other offerings [in this context] and it is a weak and obvious scarecrow argument to bring that here. They talked a good game (and I am STILL hoping it comes out), but haven't released anything or any info yet.
        See once again you don't understand their main market is not the N54 so once again you go back to the narrow vision of HPF and N54.
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I don't know if I would say shelved. The N54 is evolving and they know where their bread is buttered. It seems they are just waiting it out.
        well, shelved doesn't mean forever, but it does seem it's at best put on a shelf and maybe pulled down to poke a stick at once in a while?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I do.
        yes but you're also going nuts on everything, so it's entirely acceptable!

        i should rephrase 'no you do not need a $6,000 set of HRE's on your otherwise stock daily.. that probably has an M3 rep kit'.

        there's a local M3 that has a set of BBS motorsport wheels... it's a pretty stock non-racecar one, so while awesome, it's a little OTT.