• Car and Driver compares the Z06 and GTR to the new 911 Carrera S w/ PDK - 991 S with PDK runs 12.0@118

      This is a comparison that with the previous generation 997 Carrera S people would laugh at having. Well, the new 991 Carrera S has raised the bar considerably. We knew the PDK version would be faster than the manual but we were not expecting 118 traps out of the box and almost a full second improvement (and 5 MPH) in the 1/4 on the manual version. That makes the 991 Carrera S with PDK just as fast as a 997 GT3 despite having less horsepower and more weight, impressive.

      Car and Driver picks the Carrera S over both the 2013 GTR and the C6 Z06. Those two vehicles have more power and are faster but Car and Driver felt the Carrera S was the best overall sports car out of the group. They stated it was the easiest to live with and offered the best mileage. Although we are of the opinion that these are sports cars and a premium should be put on performance not mileage or the comfort of the seats. Regardless, the new 991 is very impressive.



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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        It's on the last page - underneath the technical drawing... It's one of the yellow and black circles, 2nd from the left.

        Did you see the Nurburgring time they claimed? 7:40? This car is pretty capable - but pricey. Click here to enlarge
        I found it, it's the yellow performance circle to the right under 1/4 mile mph. Why they don't list it with the ET is idiotic in my mind but at least they have it on their data panel unlike Car and Driver.
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        I hear ya... They redesigned it for a "modern" factor, but it's literally unreadable - especially after reading this magazine for so long...

        Sorry about the mistake - the 11.8 read 118 when I looked.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        I hear ya... They redesigned it for a "modern" factor, but it's literally unreadable - especially after reading this magazine for so long...

        Sorry about the mistake - the 11.8 read 118 when I looked.
        No worries, I'm just glad I finally found it.

        Wish they didn't redesign it.
      1. leo985i's Avatar
        leo985i -
        IMO the Z06 is the top choice from the above list. It just rapes everything...........and with a MT lmao........
      1. NatAsp-M3's Avatar
        NatAsp-M3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Ferrari doesn't gouge as bad as Porsche or offer as many options. For the 458, you are mostly paying for the prancing horse which is fine as that is the idea anyway.
        Hmm, don't think I'd agree with this. Take a look at the sticker options here... never seen a P car with more than $70K in options, let alone a $1000 homelink!

        I suppose people are willing to pay more when you're the manufacturer of the engine that has more F1 World Championships than any other manufacturer-bar none.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by NatAsp-M3 Click here to enlarge
        Hmm, don't think I'd agree with this. Take a look at the sticker options here... never seen a P car with more than $70K in options, let alone a $1000 homelink!
        Well I stand corrected, did not realize Ferrari let you go that far. Someone has to be out of their mind to option it out like that or simply crap money.
      1. Bash's Avatar
        Bash -
        What a neck breaking 0-60 from the GTR, those AWD have it easy.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by NatAsp-M3 Click here to enlarge
        Hmm, don't think I'd agree with this. Take a look at the sticker options here... never seen a P car with more than $70K in options, let alone a $1000 homelink!

        I suppose people are willing to pay more when you're the manufacturer of the engine that has more F1 World Championships than any other manufacturer-bar none.
        +1. Ferrari asks some serious money for really normal but tempting options even for the entry level 340K 458.
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Porsche has definitely upped the bar with the new 991. Less weight, less fuel consumption, great handling, as fast as the last generation GT models!! Let's hope BMW will keep up with the next gen M3. On a side note, I would be astonished if a medium optioned M3 will be available for less than $100k. Last time I was at my dealer, they had an E93 M3 on display, for $90k EUROS Click here to enlarge I mean come on, after all it's still a 3series!

        On topic: Whilst the Z06 and GTR may be marginally faster, they're pretty unusable as daily drivers. The 911 has for a long time been the sports car which offers the best from both worlds: very fast, awesome handling and still docile enough for every day driving. Even more so with the 991 as it stands.
      1. NatAsp-M3's Avatar
        NatAsp-M3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Porsche has definitely upped the bar with the new 991. Less weight, less fuel consumption, great handling, as fast as the last generation GT models!! Let's hope BMW will keep up with the next gen M3. On a side note, I would be astonished if a medium optioned M3 will be available for less than $100k. Last time I was at my dealer, they had an E93 M3 on display, for $90k EUROS Click here to enlarge I mean come on, after all it's still a 3series!

        On topic: Whilst the Z06 and GTR may be marginally faster, they're pretty unusable as daily drivers. The 911 has for a long time been the sports car which offers the best from both worlds: very fast, awesome handling and still docile enough for every day driving. Even more so with the 991 as it stands.
        I predict more current P model owners who would have planned to trade up will instead keep their cars longer. The fact of the new model costing significantly more makes upgrade unobtainable for many, and on the plus side, makes prior owners feel like their car is now part of a more high-end line-up.

        Can you guys really see a non-vert M3 topping 100K? I think BMW is too into volume these days for that kind of move... but time will tell...
      1. tripledigits's Avatar
        tripledigits -
        $1000 homelink? That must include a blond, brunette and redhead............
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by tripledigits Click here to enlarge
        $1000 homelink? That must include a blond, brunette and redhead............
        Well then I'd order that option Click here to enlarge