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    • Next generation 2013 F80 M3 spotted testing - Triple turbo? V6? 450 horsepower? Already outgunned?

      BMW continues to test the 2013 F80 M3 which is no surprise as we should see it next year after all with the F30 3 Series having already made its debut. The real question is about the motor, what will it be? Yes, the V8 will be replaced and the motor will be turbocharged. Will it be a tweaked N55? Or will it be the rumored 3.3 liter tri-turbo V6 with 450 horsepower? No matter what the motor choice we should expect power in the 450 range which unfortunately leaves the M3 outgunned both in displacement, power, and tuning potential versus its rivals namely the C63 AMG the next generation of which should get the 5.5 liter twin turbo M157 V8 from AMG.










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      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The GTS weighs under 1500 kg, has a DCT, and a larger displacement S65. So, uh, major winner in your book?

        The Nissan GTR is a heavy pig and spanks many lighter cars on the race track.
        Yes, the GTS would be a winner, if it wasn't for the price tag...

        Indeed, the GTR seems to defeat physics.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Indeed, the GTR seems to defeat physics.
        It's a robot but it goes to show a low curb weight isn't the be all end all of automotive performance.
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        On small, curvy racetracks I get my ass handed to me by lightweight cars as Honda S2000, stripped E46 M3s... despite 450bhp in my car. Adding power only goes so far. Less weight is what makes you fast on a racetrack.
        On small curvy racetracks, I believe it... Overall - given a some high speed sweepers, and a straightaway longer than a 1/10th mile - the M3 (pick any) would be playing a different fiddle.

        You can't compare an Elise to an M3 - one is good for one thing, another good for another. What's next - a Lamborghini (weighing MORE than an M3) is not better on a track (read: most tracks) than an M3 or an Elise or an S2000?

        I think your point is made, you think they are adding weight - but this weight is for safety and structural rigidity - two things that are fine in my book considering the fact that high speed handling of the new M3 is light years ahead of the E46 M3. Yes, if I wanted to take my car through my favorite backroads (very tight road) - the last M3 was more "comforting" - not sure what was faster.

        I agree weight reduction is a good thing - I am just saying this thing is not as heavy as you are making it out to be. There are PLENTY of "sports cars" heavier than an M3 - some perform better, some worse.

        Cheers.
      1. KB's Avatar
        KB -
        [QUOTE=Sticky;236297]Why are you forgetting the M3 GTS or CSL? They are light, they handle, they kick ass.

        The E9X is nowhere near as heavy as you guys are making it. Also, the M3 has never been the top of the line sports car in the lineup. If it was they would have never made a 1M.QUOTE]

        Fixed it for ya.Click here to enlarge
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Of course the E9x M3 does alot of things right and is an overall improvement over the E46 M3. I won't deny that. It's just that alot of potential is left on the table IMO and mostly it uses the increase in hp to be faster than the previous generation.

        So I hope the next gen M3 will be put on a little diet and be closer to a 1500kg figure Click here to enlarge
      1. KB's Avatar
        KB -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Of course the E9x M3 does alot of things right and is an overall improvement over the E46 M3. I won't deny that. It's just that alot of potential is left on the table IMO and mostly it uses the increase in hp to be faster than the previous generation.

        So I hope the next gen M3 will be put on a little diet and be closer to a 1500kg figure Click here to enlarge
        Rumor has it...the F80 M3 will weigh 1385kg DIN
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Of course the E9x M3 does alot of things right and is an overall improvement over the E46 M3. I won't deny that. It's just that alot of potential is left on the table IMO and mostly it uses the increase in hp to be faster than the previous generation.

        So I hope the next gen M3 will be put on a little diet and be closer to a 1500kg figure Click here to enlarge
        Not true it is mostly just the HP. The DCT makes more efficient use of the HP that is there. Also, don't forget the M3 outlapped the 997 around Laguna Seca. It also was 4/10's off the 997.1 Turbo around Laguna Seca meaning it is pretty darn good in the turns.