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    • BMW 335 battle - E90 automatic with JB4 at 16 psi takes on a Vishnu Procede E92 6 speed at 18 psi

      The BMS versus Vishnu N54 tuner fight is one of those never ending wars with battles fought again and again with victories on both sides often leaving fanboys crying and disoriented. It is great to see actual comparisons in the real world instead of the typical forum flame war and we have such a comparison right here. The E90 in the video has a JB4 on map 3 16 psi, BMS meth kit, ER charge pipe, Synapse BOV, AR catless downpipes, HPF intercooler, and BMS DCI. The E92 has the Procede aggressive map at 18 psi, PWM meth kit, AR Downpipes, Vishnu charge pipe, muffler delete, and Stett CAI.

      The E90 with the JB4 and less boost surprisingly pulls the E92 with the Procede on both runs. No word on if Shiv@Vishnu had a heart attack after seeing the result or if the Vishnu fanboys grabbed pitchforks and torches and are marching on the location of the BimmerBoost server as you read this. To be fair, the E92 6 speed had clutch slipping and meth issues. Definitely a cool comparison to see and there is no denying the automatic is more consistent. We look forward to seeing a rematch.



      This article was originally published in forum thread: JB4 vs Procede started by Forcefed View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Pics?
      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Pics?
        Ill post some and a speedometer video tonight. Race is supposed to take place monday night. Thats the only time we can get a closed road on a friends property.
      1. bakeme521's Avatar
        bakeme521 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Forcefed Click here to enlarge
        Ill post some and a speedometer video tonight. Race is supposed to take place monday night. Thats the only time we can get a closed road on a friends property.
        OHHH so thats whats happening haha
      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bakeme521 Click here to enlarge
        OHHH so thats whats happening haha
        Unless you have some other private land we can use.
      1. Cn555ic's Avatar
        Cn555ic -
        Rematch. Rematch. Rematch!!! We demand a rematch!!!
      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Cn555ic Click here to enlarge
        Rematch. Rematch. Rematch!!! We demand a rematch!!!
        Didn't get to go out last night but I drove it for a second this morning and it is FAST. I will be sending some logs for Terry to check out today, and I will make a speedometer video like I said I would. Hopefully the E92 is up for Monday, I will have the go pro ready.
      1. onurleft's Avatar
        onurleft -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Oh, so you mean intentionally skew a comparison versus what happened here in the real world? It's a fun comparison, not the be all end all.


        Let's just keep running broken cars and working cars. This is what this video shows me, a broken car and a working car. That's the reality I see
      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
        Let's just keep running broken cars and working cars. This is what this video shows me, a broken car and a working car. That's the reality I see
        You already know we are making a new video. You have already expressed your opinion on the video.
      1. Cn555ic's Avatar
        Cn555ic -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
        Let's just keep running broken cars and working cars. This is what this video shows me, a broken car and a working car. That's the reality I see
        Yeah but whats funny is the whole entire video shows basically the Procede car meth system not even working and yet he keeps at it like its going to work all of a sudden. I would have drove it home and diagnose the problem and fix it, instead of racing a FBO JB4 with meth working and having it on video. Sure its not a legit race but damn that JB tuned car looks quick.
      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Cn555ic Click here to enlarge
        Yeah but whats funny is the whole entire video shows basically the Procede car meth system not even working and yet he keeps at it like its going to work all of a sudden. I would have drove it home and diagnose the problem and fix it, instead of racing a FBO JB4 with meth working and having it on video. Sure its not a legit race but damn that JB tuned car looks quick.
        We knew something wasnt right. The computer crashed and we couldnt view the logs. I was ready to go home so he just said "whatever, lets go race." The only weird thing was that it was showing 100% meth flow on the live feed, obviously the flashers arent coming on though.
      1. Cn555ic's Avatar
        Cn555ic -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Forcefed Click here to enlarge
        We knew something wasnt right. The computer crashed and we couldnt view the logs. I was ready to go home so he just said "whatever, lets go race." The only weird thing was that it was showing 100% meth flow on the live feed, obviously the flashers arent coming on though.
        Yeah even though meth flows shows 100% without the flashers working it would have never transistion to the aggressive meth map..I had that happened to my meth system also with the Snow unit not working...Meth was spraying and I could tell by the significant drop in IATs but it kept me in the regular map! Either way I cant wait to see both cars running right and a video of it! What did you change on your car? The resistors for higher boost?
      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Cn555ic Click here to enlarge
        Yeah even though meth flows shows 100% without the flashers working it would have never transistion to the aggressive meth map..I had that happened to my meth system also with the Snow unit not working...Meth was spraying and I could tell by the significant drop in IATs but it kept me in the regular map! Either way I cant wait to see both cars running right and a video of it! What did you change on your car? The resistors for higher boost?
        I added:

        new resistors + 2.5psi
        CM5 nozzle + 300cc/min

        I already had a CM10 nozzle, so I'm spraying about 1100cc/min. It is a good bit faster. I cant wait to log it tonight.
      1. Cn555ic's Avatar
        Cn555ic -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Forcefed Click here to enlarge
        I added:

        new resistors + 2.5psi
        CM5 nozzle + 300cc/min

        I already had a CM10 nozzle, so I'm spraying about 1100cc/min. It is a good bit faster. I cant wait to log it tonight.
        Why didnt you up it to a CM7? Alot of us run this and timing is perfect. Cant hurt to add more fuel since your boost will be at close to 18-19. There is no signs of quench or bog whatsover.
      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Cn555ic Click here to enlarge
        Why didnt you up it to a CM7? Alot of us run this and timing is perfect. Cant hurt to add more fuel since your boost will be at close to 18-19. There is no signs of quench or bog whatsover.
        I had a chemical engineer do some calculations and that is the nozzle he suggested. Im sure the CM7 would have worked just fine though.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
        Let's just keep running broken cars and working cars. This is what this video shows me, a broken car and a working car. That's the reality I see
        Ok, and in my opinion your opinion is broken.
      1. Cn555ic's Avatar
        Cn555ic -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Forcefed Click here to enlarge
        I had a chemical engineer do some calculations and that is the nozzle he suggested. Im sure the CM7 would have worked just fine though.
        Anyone that runs meth is a chemical engineer! I consider myself a chemical mastermind when I fill up my meth tank! I will add some of this and some of that! lol You will soon up your nozzle to CM7, its a matter of time!
      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Cn555ic Click here to enlarge
        Anyone that runs meth is a chemical engineer! I consider myself a chemical mastermind when I fill up my meth tank! I will add some of this and some of that! lol You will soon up your nozzle to CM7, its a matter of time!
        Click here to enlarge
        After his calculations, he came to the conclusion that my IAT's would never be high enough to evaporate enough methanol to need a CM7. If I ever get RB turbos I will move up to a larger nozzle.
      1. onurleft's Avatar
        onurleft -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Ok, and in my opinion your opinion is broken.
        touche!
      1. Bash's Avatar
        Bash -
        I think this is going to come down to a drivers race or if any of the 2 has some weight reduction.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Results?